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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; vladimir998; wmfights; Iscool
The question of whether the Albigenses were heretics or not aside, the Catholic religion ought to be ashamed of itself for this thing you have mentioned.

It seems pretty clear that the only ones accusing them of being heretics were the ones who killed them. Depending on these same people to accurately record who these "heretics" really were doesn't make a lot of sense.

The actions of the aristocrat Raymond gives a little insight. He refused to execute the initial command of Rome to persecute "heresy". Raymond responded "We have been brought up with these people, we have relations among them, we know that their life is honest; how can we persecute those whom we respect as the most peaceable and loyal of our people?"

If these were such a terrible people he would know he lived among them.

89 posted on 08/17/2009 3:41:06 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

You wrote:

“It seems pretty clear that the only ones accusing them of being heretics were the ones who killed them.”

Who else was there?

“Depending on these same people to accurately record who these “heretics” really were doesn’t make a lot of sense.”

Sure it does. We do that in our society all the time. Who do we rely on for information in criminal cases? Most especially the court records and the official investigative files.

“The actions of the aristocrat Raymond gives a little insight. He refused to execute the initial command of Rome to persecute “heresy”. Raymond responded “We have been brought up with these people, we have relations among them, we know that their life is honest; how can we persecute those whom we respect as the most peaceable and loyal of our people?”

And yet his father was WANTED the Albigensians suppressed. Why should I value the words of Raymond VI over Raymond V?

“If these were such a terrible people he would know he lived among them.”

He did know. He knew they murdered innocent people too. He joined in the fight against the Albigensians in 1209. I guess your hero is now a bit tarnished for fighting and killing the people he claimed were so loyal to him? Yeah, I never liked or respected Raymond VI much either. The difference is you just discovered he was a dissembler and selfish, and I always knew.


90 posted on 08/17/2009 3:59:34 PM PDT by vladimir998
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