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To: vladimir998
No, actually it isn’t. Ever read any of the inquisition trials when court testimony from Albigensians was written down word-for-word? Yeah, they were heretics. http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty_and_staff/course_detail.jsp?id=4268

(Agnes was burned along with Raymond.) This was the first person on the list...

Heretics??? This woman refuse to swear to an oath although she claimed to believe every Catholic dogma dictated...Problem is, Jesus says to swear an oath to no one...On earth or in heaven...

And your religion murdered this Christian woman because she refused to swear to an oath...

The only heretics in that account are the Roman Catholics who murdered this woman...

And this is your evidence of the Waldensens being heretics, and worthy of murder at that??? That's disgusting...

86 posted on 08/17/2009 12:58:59 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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“Heretics??? This woman refuse to swear to an oath although she claimed to believe every Catholic dogma dictated...Problem is, Jesus says to swear an oath to no one...On earth or in heaven...

No, actually Jesus did not say that. Protestants usually get this right: http://www.ccel.org/contrib//exec_outlines/matt/mt5_33.htm

“And your religion murdered this Christian woman because she refused to swear to an oath...”

No one murdered her. She was executed by the secular government, the universally recognized lawful authority for violations of the law. A historian once claimed that in England at one time (200 years ago?) attempted suicide was a death penalty crime. Sounds stupid to me, but that was the law at that time. Laws were harsh.

Also, please note that she was lying in her testimony. First she claimed she learned swearing oaths was sinful only a short time ago, then she admitted she believed that for 20 years. Her story changed from one interrogation to the next. She was dissembling. She was also wrong: There are several instances in the Old Testament when God Himself swore an oath (Hebrews 3:11; 4:3). God swore an oath after Abraham nearly sacrificed his son Isaac (Gen.22:16-17; Ex.6:8; 45:23; Deut.4:31; 7:8; Luke 1:73). God swore an oath to David (2 Sam.7:12,13; Psalm 89:3-4; 132:11; Acts 2:30). God swore an oath to Jesus (Psalm 110:4). Jesus swore under oath (Matthew 26:63-65).

“The only heretics in that account are the Roman Catholics who murdered this woman...”

Except “Roman Catholics” appear no where in the account and no one was murdered.

“And this is your evidence of the Waldensens being heretics, and worthy of murder at that???”

She wasn’t murdered. She was executed by the duly appointed and universally recognized secular authority after being found guilty of violating the law.

“That’s disgusting...”

In real terms was it less or more disgusting that what happened in Exodus 32:27-28?


87 posted on 08/17/2009 1:35:51 PM PDT by vladimir998
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