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Could you please get around to showing evidence for either one of these claims of yours?:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”

Now, you wrote:

“It is clear that the ancestors of the Moravian Christians were brought into Christianity by eastern rite Christians.”

No one here has ever said differently. Well, you said they were Orthodox, when they were not. Now you’re saying “eastern rite Christians” which is not necessarily the same thing. This is yet another change for your story.

“But the crux of the matter is YOUR LIE that declared the origin of the belief that the Moravians (including what became the the Moravian Protestant church) were once Orthodox was something the Czech Orthodox invented to gain acceptance.”

1) I did not lie.

2) I already proved my point about the HUSSITES being said to be Orthodox by the COC. You denied that. I showed you were wrong. End of story.

“I showed two cases of an Anglican and the actual Moravian Church (I guess they view each other as sister churches) proclaiming this. So you are proven as bearing FALSE WITNESS in your accusation.”

You proved nothing. No site that you have cited yet showed this:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”

“That is pettifoggery (you do know what that word means, right, ‘Doc’?) I just stated in my own words what the Moravians themselves say.”

And once again, you need to prove the following:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”

“Once again here is the source and the highlighted words for your ease or reading:”

The site and quotes in no way prove either of these two claims by you:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”

“Are you sure you want to still claim you have earned doctorate (You won’t even name the university in question that bestowed your PhD? What was your thesis title?)?”

It’s usually called a dissertation, not a thesis on the PhD level. And the title is none of your business. Notice, while I have ALWAYS in this thread stuck to the issues, you have repeatedly tried to make this personal about my degree. I suggest you stop trying to hide your embarrassment of failing to prove your statements such as these:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”

and instead just post some evidence to actually bolster your claims. Can you do that or will you utterly fail again? If you keep whining about my degree, we’ll know you have failed yet again. That’s exactly what I expect you to do.

“Because your reading comprehension is very poor. I posted a passage from the Robert Keating Smith from the Anglican web site which clearly states the 1400’s. Here is the link again. Read slowly, OK?”

The quote you posted says nothing that proves either one of these claims you made:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”

I just read through your Anglican source - for at leats the fourth and fifth time - and no where in it is either of these two statements from you, or their content, addressed in the least:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”

Where did Smith address thow two statements from you or their content? Where EXACTLY? I want you to take each statement and then direct under it post a quote from Smith that shows his quote addressing the EXACT content of your statement with the same import. Can you do that?

“This movement was started by a priest named Jan Hus. Bohemia and Moravia had been Orthodox, and had been forced to convert to Catholicism, even though Rome said that it recognized the Orthodox presence in the area.”

That is a completely nonsensical statement. 1) We already know that Moravia was Catholic and not Orthodox. Even you now say “eastern rite Christians” which is not automatically the same as “Orthodox”. 2) Moravians could not possibly have been forced to “convert” to Catholicism. How do we know this? Simple. They were not newly baptized by Catholics because they had already BEEN BAPTIZED by Catholics. They were not newly confirmed by Catholics because they had already BEEN BAPTIZED by Catholics. They were not required to make a statement of faith either. Hence, there was no conversion, nor reversion. They were already viewed as Catholics. Period.

“Jan Hus simply wanted to return the church in Bohemia and Moravia to the practices it had under Orthodoxy;”

And, as I already showed, this statement is completely false. There is no evidence whatsoever that John Huss was an Orthodox Christian. The fact that people have made up phony histories and you believe them doesn’t bolster your case in the least. Notice how that statement was taken from a wikipedia like website that anyone can write or post? Notice how you have utterly failed to find a single reputable historian who can bolster these wild and bizarre claims of yours:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”

I don’t mind pointing out that you have utterly failed. I don’t mind pointing out that you have refused to post evidence for your claims. I don’t mind pointing out that you keep changing your story in just about every post. And I don’t mind pointing out how you apparently are so desperate that you attack my degree rather than prove your bizarre points. I don’t mind pointing out any of this.

How much do you mind your failure to prove the following:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”