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To: Nikas777

You wrote:

“What people today call the Orthodox Church or the Greek Orthodox Church is officially called The One Catholic Apostolic Church and that Greeks up until recently self-identified as Romans.”

Uh, no. First, there is no such thing as the “Orthodox Church” but many churches. We commonly use the expression “Orthodox Church” as a collective term for convenience. Also, the Greek Church you’re talking about did not officially call itself “The One Catholic Apostolic Church” in the 9th century or today. That is a description taken from the Nicene Creed. Perhaps you picked that up from the wikipedia page on the Ecumanical Patriarch. If you hit the link, you’d go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One,_Holy,_Catholic,_and_Apostolic_Church

“In some nations (Arabs, Turks, Persians) variations of the name Roman is what they called the Greeks or “Greek Orthodox Christians”.”

No. The Turks call the church based in Istanbul (what we today call the Ecumenical Patriachate) the Patriachate of the Romans because of its Byzantine past.

“Greek Rite, Greek Orthodox, Greek Catholic (as opposed to Latin Catholic) all are interchangeable, etc.”

No. Completely wrong. Greek Orthodox, for instance, belong to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Greece or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecumenical_Patriarch_of_Constantinople .

Greek Catholics, on the other hand, belong to churches like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Catholic

They are, in other words, completely different institutions, with different bishops, and different loyalties. The Greek Orthodox are loyal to Orthodox bishops while the Greek Catholics are loyal to Catholic bishops.

If this is a sign of your proficiency, then you might want to start over.

“See also Mosocow’s claim to be the “Third Rome”.”

I know all about it. And clearly you can’t tell the difference between a descriptive term from the Creed and the actual official name of the churches of the East. How sad for you.

“What was your thesis on, ‘doc’?”

Where is your proof for these claims:

1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

and

2) “Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”


102 posted on 08/14/2009 9:21:47 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Wikipedia??? Really ‘doc’? The Uniates in communion with Rome are also called Byzantine Catholics or Greek Catholics or Eastern Rite Catholics.

But Greek Catholic is also synonymous with Greek Orthodox - the Greek Orthodox church does even officially call itself Orthodox in its title.

Orthodox is what lay people use. Sort of like calling the Eastern Roman empire the ‘Byzantine Empire”.

Since you like the kindergarten level of scholarship - look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Greeks

“Rhomaioi (”Romans”) is the political name by which the Greeks, or the hellenized populations of the Eastern Roman Empire, were known during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages”


107 posted on 08/14/2009 9:28:38 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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