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To: Teófilo
Unless we are talking about Orthodox mission lands, the Diocesan Presbytery chooses the Bishop, same as the Presbytery of Rome - the Cardinals - choose the Pope.

So the clergy choose their own bishop, rather than have him appointed from above. A "bottom up" model in other words.

The comparison to the election of the Pope is inappropriate because there is no human authority above the Pope who can appoint him. He must be elected. In all other respects, Catholics use a "top down" model.

No, they conceive Original Sin in another way, the way in which I explained it.

The way you explained it was there is no actual sin. You said that Orthodox believe that there is no actual guilt, just a predisposition to sin; "they hold that the sin of Adam did not transmit an intrinsic, “guilt” to his descendants."

Again, in the absence of any inherited guilt, it's not clear why Baptism would be necessary.

45 posted on 08/07/2009 1:49:07 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
I think that the brief summary on "ancestral sin" found in the Wikipedia says it better than I can:
Ancestral sin (Greek: προπατορική αμαρτία or προπατορικό αμάρτημα, more rarely προγονική αμαρτία) is the object of a Christian doctrine taught by the Eastern Orthodox Church. Some identify it as "inclination towards sin, a heritage from the sin of our progenitors".[1] But most distinguish it from this tendency that remains even in baptized persons, since ancestral sin "is removed through baptism".[2]

St Gregory Palamas taught that, as a result of ancestral sin (called "original sin" in the West), man's image was tarnished, disfigured, as a consequence of Adam's disobedience.[3]

The Greek theologian John Karmiris writes that "the sin of the first man, together with all of its consequences and penalties, is transferred by means of natural heredity to the entire human race. Since every human being is a descendant of the first man, 'no one of us is free from the spot of sin, even if he should manage to live a completely sinless day.' ... Original Sin not only constitutes 'an accident' of the soul; but its results, together with its penalties, are transplanted by natural heredity to the generations to come ... And thus, from the one historical event of the first sin of the first-born man, came the present situation of sin being imparted, together with all of the consequences thereof, to all natural descendants of Adam."[4]

The doctrine of ancestral sin focuses on human death as an inheritance from Adam.

It is sometimes claimed that the Eastern Orthodox Church doctrine of ancestral sin differs from the Roman Catholic Church doctrine of what is called in the West "original sin" in the latter is said to speak of inheritance of the guilt of Adam. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Greek translation of which uses "προπατορική αμαρτία" (literally, "ancestral sin") where the Latin text has "peccatum originale", excludes this, stating explicitly: "Original sin is called 'sin' only in an analogical sense: it is a sin 'contracted' and not 'committed' - a state and not an act. Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants".[5]

Eastern Orthodox teaching also says: "It can be said that while we have not inherited the guilt of Adam's personal sin, because his sin is also of a generic nature, and because the entire human race is possessed of an essential, ontological unity, we participate in it by virtue of our participation in the human race. 'The imparting of Original Sin by means of natural heredity should be understood in terms of the unity of the entire human nature, and of the homoousiotitos of all men, who, connected by nature, constitute one mystic whole. Inasmuch as human nature is indeed unique and unbreakable, the imparting of sin from the first-born to the entire human race descended from him is rendered explicable: "Explicitly, as from the root, the sickness proceeded to the rest of the tree, Adam being the root who had suffered corruption" (St Cyril of Alexandria)'".[6]

If you want to have further clarification I suggest you talk to the Residents Orthodox Freepers.
46 posted on 08/07/2009 2:03:36 PM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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