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To: MarkBsnr; aMorePerfectUnion; kosta50
Very good point. I think Kosta’s point though is that we added a whole bunch of writings to the Hebrew Bible and called it the Christian Bible and that this is really what God meant, so Jews, let’s get off the stick and get on with these new beliefs.

I must add in that we never state that the OT is false or in any way wrong or in error. We do say that the NT is a continuation of the OT and that WE are a continuation of God's expanding plan to save the peoples of the universe.

Unlike theMuslimms who say that the ones before were wrong, we don't say that the Jews who came before were wrong and we've come to correct them or revert them.
298 posted on 08/11/2009 4:43:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Cronos; MarkBsnr; aMorePerfectUnion
I must add in that we never state that the OT is false or in any way wrong or in error. We do say that the NT is a continuation of the OT and that WE are a continuation of God's expanding plan to save the peoples of the universe.

Then why is the OT not sitting on the altar together with the Gospels? Rather it is read only in the post Vatican II Church. For at least 1,700 years, the Catholic Church read Epistles 9by lay people) and Gospels (by priests and deacons) in that order during Mass, only to introduce the OT in 1964 (for politically correct reasons)!

Perhaps the Church doesn't consider the OT not in spiritual error, but not on the par with the Gospels either (and yet both are supposed to be the words of the very same God).

The Church is not a continuation of Judaism but something that did NOT exist until 33 AD (remember, Christ established the Church?), based on what is believed to have been taught by Jesus and recorded in the Gospels.

The OT is to be read allegorically, as Phylo (a hellenized Jews) taught (I believe Eusebius even refers to him as "St." Phylo because of the influence he had on the way Christians interpreted the OT), through the prism of the Gospels, in other words looking for Jesus archetypes and prefiguring of his birth.

That's not how the Jews read it. There is no doubt that the Church thinks that the Jews got it all wrong or else we would all be Jews! How can they be right as far as Christians are concerned if they rejected, and still reject Christ form the get go?

And why did the NT writers use Septuagint and not the Hebrew Scriptures in over 90% of the cases when making references to the OT if the Hebrew Scriptures are never wrong?

311 posted on 08/11/2009 9:40:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all <i>around</i> you)
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To: Cronos

***Very good point. I think Kosta’s point though is that we added a whole bunch of writings to the Hebrew Bible and called it the Christian Bible and that this is really what God meant, so Jews, let’s get off the stick and get on with these new beliefs.

I must add in that we never state that the OT is false or in any way wrong or in error. We do say that the NT is a continuation of the OT and that WE are a continuation of God’s expanding plan to save the peoples of the universe.

Unlike theMuslimms who say that the ones before were wrong, we don’t say that the Jews who came before were wrong and we’ve come to correct them or revert them.***

A lot of Christians say that they are. The OT is considered the third level as it were of Scriptural relevancy by the Church. The first is the four Gospels; the second is the rest of the NT.


346 posted on 08/11/2009 5:31:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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