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The Orthodox counter is that Peter was in the East before he was in Rome. That Peter’s church in Rome is an extension of his churches in the East. We remember they were united before and there was no hierarchy bestowing more authority to the Bishop of Rome, now known as the roman catholic pope.

To me it has always been sad that Rome has always demanded subservience from others on this point. Why do they not bend and ask for forgiveness of this pride? It is not that ther traditions are shunned or avoided, in fact they are admired, but they have created division of ‘them versus others’. To me they should bow down asking for forgiveness, pledging servitude. This act would exalt them and make them true leaders of Orthodox. By bending and surrendering they would be blessed with authority because they would regain trust.

Just my thoughts.

To me it has always been sad that Rome has always demanded subservience from others on this point. Why do they not bend and ask for forgiveness of this pride?

Bingo! When RCCers are challenged on their own Romish claims, they respond with chauvinism, not humility.

The Orthodox counter is that Peter was in the East before he was in Rome. That Peter’s church in Rome is an extension of his churches in the East. We remember they were united before and there was no hierarchy bestowing more authority to the Bishop of Rome, now known as the roman catholic pope.

Peter was in Jerusalem first, then should the Copts have primacy?

the position of the Pope as the FIRST AMONG EQUALS is accepted by all -- catholic and orthodox (and I'll go on a limb and say also by the oriental churchs of armenia, copts and ethiopians).

Nowhere does the Orthodox say that the church in the west is an extension of the churches in the east. nowhere and by no one.

The Churchs were united mostly until 453 AD when the Western Roman Empire fell, then the Westerners had to fend for themselves against barbarians. Remember that the Assyrian Church and then the Oriental Churchs broke away earlier while the Indian church was separated by a distance.

Rome has not demanded "subservience" always. Yes, this was a fault under the late middle ages under circumstances i pointed out.

What forgiveness should we ask for for that? You want us to grovel at your feet for actions committed 500 years ago? or 800 years ago? Sheesh.

you're the one creating this division of us versus them

Thankfully many orthodox don't think like you and just dig up the past asking for grovelling, but say "ok, now what can we do NOW to resolve this?"

That sounds like something from the Obammunist State Department