Posted on 08/01/2009 1:51:11 PM PDT by NYer
The website Catholic Answers, which has its flaws (and a poorly monitored forum in which all sorts of trash flies around) but has good apologetics research, points out that this lie may not have come out of thin air:
But there is another possibility, and that is Toulouse, France, where a council was held in 1229. And, yes, that council dealt with the Bible. It was organized in reaction to the Albigensian or Catharist heresy, which held that there are two gods and that marriage is evil because all matter (and thus physical flesh) is evil. From this the heretics concluded that fornication could be no sin, and they even encouraged suicide among their members. In order to promulgate their sect, the Albigensians published an inaccurate translation of the Bible in the vernacular language (rather like the Jehovah’s Witnesses of today publishing their severely flawed New World Translation of the Bible, which has been deliberately mistranslated to support the sect’s claims). Had it been an accurate translation, the Church would not have been concerned. Vernacular versions had been appearing for centuries. But what came from the hands of the Albigensians was an adulterated Bible. The bishops at Toulouse forbade the reading of it because it was inaccurate. In this they were caring for their flocks, just as a Protestant minister of today might tell his flock not to read the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ New World Translation.
That was the second site I came to. I find it difficult to believe you didn't find it. Maybe you didn't bother to read it because it was Catholic?
Thanks for all that - I guess it depends on what you search on, what criteria ... didn’t go far enough through what was there. And true, if the RCC wrote something against “whatever” and another group wrote something for “whatever” I suppose you have to make the choice of whom to believe ... bias plays a nasty hand in decisions .... you choose to believe what you want to believe I guess ....
Yes, LOL
Which criteria...
... bias plays a nasty hand in decisions ....
You don't say!
LOLROTFLMTO
Yes. And if the B'nai B'rith wrote something about the Holocaust and another group quoted Der Sturmer, I suppose you have to make the choice of whom to believe...
They can throw every adjective they have in their vocabulary and accuse you of anti-catholic hatred, bigotry, whatever...but they never look in the mirror and see the sneers on their own faces when they lash out.
Some people are incapable of discussing subjects in respectful ways and do not belong on Religion Forums. They need a website all their own where they can say whatever they want and praise each other for having the good fortune to belong to what they think is the “only true church”. There they can laugh all they want about us miserable Protestants who are apostate and will spend eternity in Hell because we are all part of a cult or sect if we do not call ourselves Roman Catholics. Christian does not mean anything to them.
Well I want to encourage you to continue to seek the truth because God's promise to everyone is He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Don't give up posting. Just try to ignore those who only want to pretend they are being persecuted so they can claim brownie points from God.
I go to the facts - Iran has denied the Holocaust also ... do I believe them? Nope.
How you enter your search requests ...
The “Catholic” view offers two alternatives: 1) that brothers and sisters referred to his extended family, or cousins’ 2) that James et al. were the children of Joseph by a previous marriage. But there is also the cofusing way the gospels were written. Just try to sort out who the several Marys were. The Scriptures are always alluding to people well-know to the audience but totally unknown to us. In other words, their identity is unknowable to us.
Slowly finding this out, much to my chagrin. Anyway it’s pretty much over -
You don’t make sense with the Hitler scenario. He wasn’t saved. There was no assurance for him because he wasn’t a born again believer. I’m talking about assurance of the one who is a believer, not a murdering heathen like Hitler.
You work out your salvation AFTER you’ve been saved. IMO, this means that God works out the junk inside that keeps you from being all you can be in Him. We all carry baggage that needs to be discarded but we can’t discard it alone without His help. I KNOW I am saved. My ex-Catholic husband KNOWS that he is saved. I pray you do too, NYer. Blessings, Mary
Exactly. Thank you.
With an open mind an a rigorous sense of intellectual curiosity.
John Michael Talbot was also part of that ministry, and the church was NOT happy with what was going on. They were losing their grip on people who began to read the Bible for themselves. No, they knew what was happening.
I’m not saying it was all of Ireland. It was where they and John Michael Talbot were ministering at the time.
My pastor is no liar and God knows THAT, too!
Good thing I'm not a "raving RCC."
In point of fact, I'm not an RCC at all.
I'm sure glad you weren't talking about me.
OK, I'm sure there is some other plausible explanation for your pastor telling you an "untruth"....
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