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Should We Stop Addressing Old Teachings and Non-Official Beliefs? -Mormon- (OPEN)
Mormonism Research Ministry ^ | July 28, 2009 | Aaron Shafovaloff

Posted on 07/28/2009 10:54:56 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

By Aaron Shafovaloff

Christians who attempt to engage in meaningful dialog with their Mormon friends are often frustrated by the way teachings and beliefs can be obfuscated and downplayed. When a question is posed by a Christian they are many times told that a particular teaching “is not official.” Behind this are the assumptions that that the religion of Mormonism is immune to any fatal criticism if it involves anything outside the scope of officiality, and that evangelical engagement should be limited to that which is binding upon Mormon members.

One problem with this is that the Mormon Church has no binding and official position on what con-stitutes a binding and official position. Mormon leaders and thinkers have proposed a variety of approaches to defining what constitutes official doctrine, not one being settled upon. Multiple things must be taken into account. First, and most important, Mormons have been taught that they enjoy a continual stream of prophetic counsel and revelation, and that their leaders will never lead them astray. They have also been taught that “The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.” (Ezra Taft Benson, “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet,” 1980). A sense has been fostered that the living leadership is for members a more direct line to God than ancient scripture. But Mormonism also attempts to esteem its scriptures and ensure some stability. When leaders have gone especially awry, subsequent generations of leaders have downplayed prior teachings by appealing to the boundaries of scriptures (that the previous leaders failed to stay within). In short, Mormonism teeters between maximalism and minimalism.

In my study I have so far identified three general Mormon approaches to the standard of officiality:

sola scriptura – The Standard Works are the final and alone binding source of authority. If it is not in scripture, or if it is not inferred by scripture, it is not doctrinal and it is not binding.

prima scriptura – Scripture is the highest, most final binding source of authority, but it is not the only source of that which is binding and doctrinal. Other sources, such as current church leadership (considered lesser because they are compared with scripture and discarded if in contradiction with scripture) are also binding.

prima ecclesia – Modern church leadership is the highest, most final binding source of authority and doctrine, and may override other sources of authority and doctrine, like scripture, if there is contradiction. This is rarely done by direct repudiation and instead is done by re-interpreting, making obsolete, or questioning the preservation of a particular text. When addressing the question of whether living leaders trump scripture, or vice versa, BYU professor Robert Millet admits with refreshing honesty:

“I think most Latter-day Saints would be prone to answer this by pointing out the value and significance of living oracles, or continuing revelation, or ongoing divine direction through modern apostles and prophets, and thus to conclude that living prophets take precedence over canonized scripture” (Claiming Christ, p.31).

Should We Stop Addressing Old Teachings and Non-Official Beliefs?

Rather than endorsing this mainstream approach, Millet goes on in the book to promote an approach much like prima scriptura.

There are nuances and ambiguities to the above three models, but you get the basic idea. My contention is that Mormonism oscillates between varying models to keep alive the theme of the “continuing revelation” as well as enforce some regulatory sanity.

BYU professors who promote the need for modern prophets to understand ancient prophets often violate their own stated principles in their interpretation of the watershed passage 2 Nephi 25:23 (“…for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do”). They obstinately reject the usage and interpretation from general conference and modern church publications, preferring instead their own personal interpretations. Minimalists like Millet say that we need modern leaders to understand ancient scripture, but seem to only selectively apply the principle.

Here are some issues Christians need to take into consideration:

1. We care about what the Mormon mainstream people and individual persons actually believe. When they believe something the institution doesn't strictly, officially bless (according to some particular model of doctrine and authority), it still matters with regard to the spiritual condition of their individual heart.

2. The institution, regardless of the lack of formal approval, still ought to bear responsibility for acquiescing to unrepudiated longstanding beliefs that were initiated or at least fostered by Mormon leadership or by the implications of the traditional Mormon worldview.

3. Regardless of whether a particular Mormon individual agrees or doesn't agree with important teachings that have been recently been promoted from institutional Mormon channels of influence, that Mormon's spiritual heart condition is also related to his or her willingness to be a part of such an institution that tolerates and/or teaches such things.

4. Regardless of how old a particular Mormon teaching is, it can still have bearing on whether a person today should choose to become or remain Mormon. There are plenty of old teachings that have been abandoned by Mormonism that still call into question the reliability and integrity of the historic succession of alleged prophets and apostles. Remember, it only takes one false prophecy or one public heresy about the nature of God—especially one not repented over—to make a prophet false.



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To: P-Marlowe

You guys argue in circles and when push comes to shove and you are backed against the wall and have no theological leg to stand on, you fall back on your burning busom testimony and claim that the “Holy Ghost” would never steer “YOU” wrong, but that he has apparently steered all of us wrong who have a testimony that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and that the Mormon Church is false.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

CLAP CLAP CLAP, HUZZAH! :)


41 posted on 07/29/2009 11:11:56 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
No thanks. I will defend the true Christian faith from those who seek to lead people into a gospel of works, and not agree with those who “bring Christ down”.
 
 

2 Corinthians 11:12
 12.  But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
  

42 posted on 07/29/2009 2:30:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
“Sales pitch” suggests a pecuniary motive and perhaps a willingness to deceive. _______________________________________

Yes, quite...

I am not sure of your meaning. Are you saying that Mormon missionaries preach the Gospel for money, and may be willing to deceive others to make money?

43 posted on 07/29/2009 5:45:49 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Elsie; All
...the Mormon Church has no binding and official position on what constitutes a binding and official position. PRICELESS!

...at least until it decides if it will have a binding and official position on the binding and official position on what constitutes a binding and official position...you know, the Mormon church's been known to change now and then...then and now...now and then...

I mean they could decide that a binding position on the binding and official position constituting a binding and official position would only officially bind temple celestial-bound Mormons -- versus telestial and terrestial-bound (or Outer-darkness bound) Mormons...

And while they're at it, they might just exclude whites this time from official priestholding status...

Or, they could pull a "retro" and for the next 25 years, the Lds "prophet" could claim Adam is indeed god again, like Brigham Young repeatedly told the Mormons for 25 years. Or, the new binding and official position on atonement could revert to another Brighamism...blood atonement...

...why, that business phrase "he's only cuttin' his own throat" could once again be resurrected to literal binding and official doctrinal status in the Lds church if the stars and cards and Joseph's dug-up magical talismans are all aligning right...

And who knows? Maybe another marital-related "manifesto" is shooting down the pike at this very moment...maybe "polygamy" will get another binding and official "A-OK" from HQ. (It's not like legality had a whole lot to do with what the Mormons did anyway in the 19th century)

And then, maybe this generation of Mormons would be somewhat like their parents -- 40% of them who said (1963) that they would take up polygamy if Morgod's "prophet" said so.

So we just can't predict the fickle whims of a god and "prophet" who loves to bind and officialize in contradictory manners over & over again. (Perhaps this gives Lds a clue as to why we object to their claim that Mormonism is Christianity -- 'cause it portrays to the world that the god of Mormonism is a fickle god who can't make up his mind)

I mean, we still don't even have an official "binding and official" take of Joseph Smith's 1844 King Follett sermon. It's not Scripture. It's not canonized. But Mormons believe what he taught: "You have got to learn how to become gods, yourselves..."

Ya know, if that was such an important "revelation" -- why did Smith wait until 1844 to reveal it?
And why haven't ensuing generations of Mormons placed it as "Scripture" status?
Could it be 'cause they know Joe false prophesied here?
Committed open idolatry?
And how could the Book of Mormon be the "fullness of the everlastin gospel" if the Mormon god forgot to have a Mormon "prophet" etch this important eternal progression puzzle piece onto gold sheets?

44 posted on 07/29/2009 5:46:38 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Logophile; Tennessee Nana; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; ejonesie22
Are you saying that Mormon missionaries preach the Gospel for money, and may be willing to deceive others to make money?

In my case, "sales pitch" means the missionaries are attempting to "sell" a product, mormonism, via a slanted message, just the way TV pitchmen do. Otherwise, why bother to go out and proselytize? Just stay home and let those who may be interested seek the church out.

Other denominations send out missionaries, but not on the scale of the LDS, particulary when you figure the number of missionaries vs. the total membership of the denomination. Also, the messages from other denominations are not carefully chosen to present only the least arcane doctrines of their sect.

On another note, the more members, the more tithing...and LDS is the only church that I am aware of that requires a yearly "tithing settlement".

The object of "sales of a product" is normally the "seeking of income from sales", and since the mormon church takes great pride in being one of the wealthiest corporations in the country, if not the world, it is not coincidental that it is the corporation with a huge missionary force......go figure.

As to the "deceit"...be sure to let us know when the practice of offering "milk before meat" changes...K?

45 posted on 07/30/2009 3:41:56 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Sowell: A community organizer organizes resentments and paranoia within a community towards others.)
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To: Logophile; greyfoxx39

IMHO it is the missionaries as well as their audience that is being deceived. I know many young men who have left the LDS Church after serving a mission. They feel used and abused.

Did you go on a mission, logo?


46 posted on 07/30/2009 3:51:32 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: greyfoxx39
In my case, "sales pitch" means the missionaries are attempting to "sell" a product, mormonism, via a slanted message, just the way TV pitchmen do . . . . The object of "sales of a product" is normally the "seeking of income from sales" . . .

Your analogy is silly. Mormonism is not a product; it is a way of life, based on a covenant relationship with God. Such a relationship cannot be purchased with money.

Moreover, the missionaries are not paid for their work, as a typical TV pitchman is. LDS missionaries are not "seeking an income" from their work; in fact, they pay for the opportunity to serve. Therefore, by your definition, they are not engaged in selling a product.

But if you insist that the LDS missionaries are trying to sell something, what do you say of clergy who make a career of the ministry? Are they mere salesmen? Should they serve without pay, as the Mormon missionaries do? (I am not saying they should; are you?)

47 posted on 07/30/2009 5:27:53 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: greyfoxx39
Otherwise, why bother to go out and proselytize? Just stay home and let those who may be interested seek the church out.

Why proselytize? I am surprised that any Christian would have to ask that question.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:18-20)

Other denominations send out missionaries, but not on the scale of the LDS, particulary when you figure the number of missionaries vs. the total membership of the denomination.

Perhaps other denominations should send out more missionaries.

Be that as it may, the number of LDS missionaries would seem to be irrelevant to the question of whether those missionaries have a pecuniary motive in preaching the Gospel.

Latter-day Saints serve missions because they believe God wants them to do so. You have provided no reason for me to believe otherwise.

48 posted on 07/30/2009 5:36:57 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: greyfoxx39
On another note, the more members, the more tithing...and LDS is the only church that I am aware of that requires a yearly "tithing settlement".

Perhaps other churches ought to offer their members the opportunity to make a tithing settlement.

Contrary to what you wrote, tithing settlement is not required; it is entirely voluntary. In my ward, at least, most members did not bother to attend tithing settlement. In the past, I did not attend either. No one has ever said a word to me about it.

Personally, I appreciate the yearly reminder because I believe that tithes and offerings are an important way to serve God and his children.

. . . and since the mormon church takes great pride in being one of the wealthiest corporations in the country, . . .

Who exactly has expressed "great pride" in the Church's supposed wealth? Those who are in a position to know about the financial situation of the Church tend not to talk much about the Church's finances.

49 posted on 07/30/2009 5:47:37 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: greyfoxx39
As to the "deceit"...be sure to let us know when the practice of offering "milk before meat" changes...K?

No doubt you have read what the Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians:

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. (1 Corinthians 3:2)

In his epistle to the Hebrews, Paul again contrasted milk and meat:

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered [explained], seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. (Hebrews 5:9-14)

Tell me, do you believe the Apostle Paul was deceitful?

50 posted on 07/30/2009 5:54:25 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: colorcountry
IMHO it is the missionaries as well as their audience that is being deceived.

IMHO, you are mistaken.

Did you go on a mission, logo?

Yes.

51 posted on 07/30/2009 5:56:13 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: greyfoxx39
On another note, the more members, the more tithing...and LDS is the only church that I am aware of that requires a yearly "tithing settlement".

You VILE anti!!

You KNOW that we do NOT REQUIRE this!!!

--MormonDupe(Unless, however, you want to have a TEMPLE RECOMMEND...)

52 posted on 07/31/2009 4:43:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Logophile
  Mormonism is not a product; it is a way of life, based on a covenant relationship with God.
 
I hope MORMON's can keep THEIR covenants better than the Chosen Ones of Israel!!
 
Jeremiah 11:1-10
 1.  This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD:
 2.  "Listen to the terms of this covenant and tell them to the people of Judah and to those who live in Jerusalem.
 3.  Tell them that this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: `Cursed is the man who does not obey the terms of this covenant--
 4.  the terms I commanded your forefathers when I brought them out of Egypt, out of the iron-smelting furnace.' I said, `Obey me and do everything I command you, and you will be my people, and I will be your God.
 5.  Then I will fulfill the oath I swore to your forefathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey'--the land you possess today."   I answered, "Amen, LORD."
 6.  The LORD said to me, "Proclaim all these words in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem: `Listen to the terms of this covenant and follow them.
 7.  From the time I brought your forefathers up from Egypt until today, I warned them again and again, saying, "Obey me."
 8.  But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubbornness of their evil hearts. So I brought on them all the curses of the covenant I had commanded them to follow but that they did not keep.'"
 9.  Then the LORD said to me, "There is a conspiracy among the people of Judah and those who live in Jerusalem.
 10.  They have returned to the sins of their forefathers, who refused to listen to my words. They have followed other gods to serve them. Both the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken the covenant I made with their forefathers.
 
 
 Jeremiah 22:9
   And the answer will be: `Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD their God and have worshiped and served other gods.'"
 

 
 Jeremiah 31:31-34
 31.  "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
 32.  It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to  them, "  declares the LORD.
 33.  "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
 34.  No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,"  declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
 
 
(I see nothing in here about the House of Joseph Smith.)
 
 


 
Such a relationship cannot be purchased with money.

Acts 8:17-20
 
 17.  Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
 18.  When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money
 19.  and said, "Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."
 20.  Peter answered: "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 
 


 
So true - but the LDS 'covenant' can be purchased thru WORKS!
 
 
 
 
 
Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

53 posted on 07/31/2009 5:33:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Logophile
Tell me, do you believe the Apostle Paul was deceitful?

I believe that Joseph Smith was.

Otherwise he was DECIEVED by two lying Angels of light.

54 posted on 07/31/2009 5:37:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Logophile; greyfoxx39

What was “uncivil” about it? It appeared to be an observation based on previous experience(s).

I guess if you’re looking to be offended, it’s not hard to take any criticism out of context and create a tempest in a teapot.

SZ


55 posted on 07/31/2009 7:06:16 AM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: Logophile
Mormonism is not a product; it is a way of life, based on a covenant relationship with God.

The marketing of mormonism is no different from marketing of other products, and is treated as such by leaders and members.

"Intensive effort on the part of the First Presidency, the Quorum of the Twelve, other General Authorities, and most capable teams of devoted, experienced staff members produced Preach My Gospel and its planning tools. Those who participated in its development are witnesses of the inspired direction of the Lord through the Holy Ghost in the conception, framing, and finalization of the materials in Preach My Gospel.

After extensive testing in 14 missions, Preach My Gospel was adjusted. That result was reviewed, modified, and approved by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve. On October 15, 2004, a worldwide satellite broadcast introduced mission presidents and missionary leaders to Preach My Gospel. Every missionary throughout the world was given an English copy. While many did not speak English, they felt part of the renewal of our missionary effort. Interestingly, some foreign-language-speaking missionaries were motivated to learn English. Early this year Japanese, Korean, Spanish, and Portuguese versions of Preach My Gospel were distributed. By the end of the year, we anticipate that the guide will be available in most of the languages spoken by missionaries."

-SNIP-

"Can you catch the vision? You’ll be as excited as I am when in your personal life you begin to understand and use this missionary tool. Unlike prior full-time missionary resources, Preach My Gospel is available to any leader or member through Church distribution." (Available at Deseret Books for $9.00)

The Power of Preach My Gospel

The fact that missionaries "serve without pay" does not make the marketing of the product any less a "sales pitch".

This straw man you attempt to build "what do you say of clergy who make a career of the ministry? Are they mere salesmen?" is similar..."unpaid clergy", another boasting point by the LDS, who are untrained and in most cases have to have full-time jobs to support their families IMO short-change members.

Paid clergymen and women, in most cases have spent years training for the occupation. Caring for and serving their parishoners IS a full-time job to them, not something that has to be done as a side job.

56 posted on 07/31/2009 7:10:45 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Sowell: A community organizer organizes resentments and paranoia within a community towards others.)
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To: SZonian
What was “uncivil” about it? It appeared to be an observation based on previous experience(s).

The comment implied that the LDS missionaries are merely trying to sell a product, that they are motivated by a desire to make money, and that they are willing to deceive others to make that money. I pointed out that the accusation is unjustified, since the missionaries are not paid for their work.

Ascribing ulterior motives to other persons, contrary to evidence, is at best uncivil.

57 posted on 07/31/2009 7:25:43 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: SZonian; Logophile
I guess if you’re looking to be offended, it’s not hard to take any criticism out of context and create a tempest in a teapot.

Bump!

58 posted on 07/31/2009 7:30:51 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Logophile
Tell me, do you believe the Apostle Paul was deceitful?

I sincerely doubt that Paul was thinking of THIS when he was speaking of "meat"

The LDS Endowment

You have had a garment placed upon you, which you were informed represents the garment given to Adam when he was found naked in the garden of Eden, and which is called the garment of the holy priesthood. This you were instructed to wear throughout your life. You were informed that it will be a shield and a protection to you if you are true and faithful to your covenants.

You have had a new name given unto you, which you were told never to divulge, nor forget. This new name is a keyword which you will be required to give at a certain place in the temple today.

The endowment is to prepare you for exaltation in the celestial kingdom. If you proceed and receive your full endowment, you will be required to take upon yourselves sacred obligations, the violation of which will bring upon you the judgments of God, for God will not be mocked.
If any of you desire to withdraw rather than accept these obligations of your own free will and choice, you may now make it known by raising your hand."

AND, I doubt that Paul had in mind the requirements for entering the LDS temple to perform these rituals...I can't imagine Paul asking these questions, especially the bolded ones before allowing one to see the "meat".

 Temple Recommend questions.


1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

 

59 posted on 07/31/2009 7:32:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Sowell: A community organizer organizes resentments and paranoia within a community towards others.)
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To: colorcountry

Oh, I was thinking....you can’t push a string.


60 posted on 07/31/2009 7:32:14 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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