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To: Nosterrex
Jesus and St. Paul believed in the historicity of Genesis.

Chapter and verse, please, and let's discuss it.

In fact, the whole institution of marriage is determined by Jesus’ reference to the marriage of Adam and Eve.

Yes, but Adam and Eve are in the second Creation narrative, which taken on a literal level, contradicts the first Creation narrative.

In the first account of Creation (Genesis 1:25-27), the humans were created after the other animals. But in the second account (Genesis 2:18-19), humans were created before the other animals.

Also, in the first account of Creation (Genesis 1:27), the first man and woman were created simultaneously. But in the second account (Genesis 2:18-22), man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.

Obviously, these passages were not meant to be taken literally, or else they would not contradict each other when taken literally.

I do however believe in Adam and Eve. In fact, research in genetics traces all DNA back to a single man and woman living in Africa. We actually have scientific proof that all of humanity originates from the same two people. This scientific, empirical evidence, in addition to the narrative of Adam and Eve, do not contradct Jesus' teachings on Genesis, nor St. Paul's, but rather supports it.
8 posted on 07/25/2009 9:50:56 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner

There is not a contradiction between the two chapters. The first gives an overview of creation, but second focuses upon the creation of Adam and Eve. It’s late here, so I’ll discuss it more tomorrow, and I will give you the verses for which you asked although they are not hard to find.


9 posted on 07/25/2009 10:15:23 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: bdeaner
I do however believe in Adam and Eve. In fact, research in genetics traces all DNA back to a single man and woman living in Africa.

Africa??? Well I thought Eden included the area around the Fertile Crescent...Who'd a thought Adam and Eve were Africans...

13 posted on 07/26/2009 12:19:37 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: bdeaner

You wrote:

“In the first account of Creation (Genesis 1:25-27), the humans were created after the other animals. But in the second account (Genesis 2:18-19), humans were created before the other animals.”

That’s not how it comes across to me. It seems to me that the Divine Author is simply reminding the reader that He created animals out of the earth. It doesn’t say anything about time.

“Also, in the first account of Creation (Genesis 1:27), the first man and woman were created simultaneously. But in the second account (Genesis 2:18-22), man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man’s rib.”

Again, to me it doesn’t come across that way. In Gen. 1:27 we are merely told that God created man and woman. In Gen. 2, we have a more detailed description of that creation. We do this in conversation all the time. If I say, “I was born in New York, went to grad school in California and married in Canada,” someone can say you married when you were born? You went to graduate school when you were a baby? No one says that, however, because we know how conversational comments work in reality according to time.

“Obviously, these passages were not meant to be taken literally, or else they would not contradict each other when taken literally.”

I don’t see any contradiction there. It seems to me that Genesis 2 was just a greater detailed version of Genesis 1.


14 posted on 07/26/2009 5:02:40 AM PDT by vladimir998
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