Because you said the Jews know they must believe in God because God told them so, and you used a Biblical reference to "prove" it. Trouble is, your reference doesn't prove it. It cites supposedly God introducing himself to Moses.
But when I ask you to provide Biblical proof where God actually says to the Jews they should believe in him you pull the sola scriptura excuse. Make up your mind. You can't use scripture to prove your point and refuse scripture when you can't.
Eew! Did I type "committed" instead of "permitted?" My bad!
Given that "p" is on the opposite end of the keyboard from "c", and so are "e" and "o", and "r" and "m" are diagonally opposite...some typo, like dog ate my homework. Try again.
The answer is that Jews know that they may eat chicken because their parents ate chicken, and their parents ate chicken, and their parents ate chicken, and THEIR parents ate chicken, and so on, "all the way back." There has never been a generation that did not eat chicken. Thus the eating of chicken could not have been erroneously introduced at any time
I thought you'd have a much better rationalization. This is quite disappointing. Interestingly, the Orthodox use the same line of "reasoning" to ascertain tradition, which is, just as in the case of the Jews, obviously fallacious.
The reason it is fallacious in your example is because (a) you don't know that; someone told you and you accepted it blindly because there is no proof.
But, how many people were separated from their parents or lost their lineage, were sold into slavery or adopted? (b) the Jews were not always or consistently observant, nor did they always consistently worship the God of Abraham, so claiming "all thew way back" may sound really neat but it is obviously sophism.
Obviously, eating chicken could have been introduced at any point in those "off" periods for several generations and made into a tradition "all the way back."
Why does this mean anything? If it's a fraud, it's a fraud. The "purest form" of a fraud is still a fraud. I'm sure islam and b*ddhism have their "most unchanged" versions as well. Big whoop.
But you have not proven that it is a fraud, nor have you proven that Judaism is one true faith. So, the finger you use to accuse is accusing you back. I think all religions are somewhat of a fraud in their organized, matter-of-fact approach because they operate on unprovable assumptions and often skillfully say.
Where on earth did you ever get the idea that the Israelites "wandered around lost for 40 years?" That you would think this does not speak well of your attention to the Biblical text
Well, they were on their way to the promised land and didn't get there in over 40 years. It's a heck of a detour no matter what you call it. I think they were lost one way or another.
Thirty-eight years camped at Qadesh-Barne`a after the sin of the spies (during which time they performed the sacrificial service in the Tabernacle and studied Torah systematically as elucidated in great detail by Maimonides)
Studied the Torah for 38 years? What Torah? You mean Moses wrote all five books before they got there? (actually all evidence seems to show that he didn't write a single one of them)
And how does Maimonides know all that? What reference does he use? Or is it yet another tall tale based on assumptions?
So much for "wandering around lost for forty years." And was their garbage supposed to fossilize?
I doubt it would fossilize in 3,000 years, but a huge garbage dump made by over a million people over 38 years would be a formidable "contribution" to historical science and pretty hard to miss archaeologically speaking.
Then there would be pottery, artifacts, graves!, and a slew of other things the Israeli scientists could not find at or near Qadesh-Barne`a (or anywhere else on the Sinai) for the last 40-plus years, so much so that one prominent Israeli archaeologist stated "there never was an Exodus," and he is not alone among Israeli scientists to make such a statement.
But they found plenty of Egyptian artifacts, and garbage dumps of the same period and in the same area. You are more than welcome to consult Israeli sources lest others be accused of "anti-Semitism."
You know something? This is not an easy world for "rednecks.
I believe the topic was "I have no labels" and you saying that you had some for me, even if I didn't care to know them, and I said "My pay is the same no matter what you call me," and you respond with this "article" on rednecks!?!
Okay, I will just let that one slide, because it is completely unrelated to my comment, and quite hateful. It seems to me that you were just looking for an opportunity to let everyone know what you think and we thank you very much for that, although coherent it is not, and certainly has very little to do with the subject matter of proving that God told his people they must believe in him.
Shalom!
Kosta . . . of all the people I lashed out against the past few days I have wronged you most of all. My post #122 is probably the most shameful thing that's ever been posted on this forum, at least by someone who's been here as long as I have. I was angry at you and I did everything in my power to hurt you. And now that the deed has been done and I cannot untype the things I said . . . I've been ashamed of my behavior here before, but I don't think I've ever been as ashamed, or so deserved to feel that way, as I do now after having it sink it after all this time the terrible things I wrote in that post and in previous ones.
I'm studying a book on Noachide law right now, two pages a day. One of the things I read this morning was that G-d's Providence covers everything that happens to us (something I thought I knew already), the good and the bad (ditto), and even the people who interact with us. Even the people who interact with us do so providentially for our good in G-d's Good Will and instead of being angry we are to thank Him. For many years now I have said a prayer before retiring at night that begins by stating that I forgive everyone who has wronged me. What a hypocrite I have been. What damage I have done. And what a desecration of G-d's Great Name I have committed.
To ask you at this point for forgiveness for the things I have said, not only during this current debate but in the past also, seems smug and flip. To promise to never do so again, knowing my terrible temper, seems futile. But nevertheless, compelled by G-d's Commandment and my own feelings of shame and guilt, I must ask you for forgiveness and I must promise to do my best not to do this again in the future.
I ping your co-religionists here only because in my anger and bitterness I said the same terrible things about them for no other reason than that I was angry and wanted to do as much damage to you as I could. That is why I must ask their forgiveness as well.
Bdeaner . . . Mark . . . though I haven't been anything like as savage to you (hard to believe, I admit), I've nevertheless let our arguments of the past few days get way out of hand. No, I'm not changing my theological position or opinions, but please forgive me. I'm sorry. Yes, that does sound flip.
SolidWood, my apologies to you also for insulting you on the other thread (though again, I'm afraid I can't change my religious beliefs).
ET, sorry for my brusqueness with you as well.
Every so often I feel like I need to just log off Free Republic for a week or so merely for my own sanity and the sanity of my opponents there. This may be one of those times.
With G-d's help, tonight when I tell Him that I forgive everyone who has wronged me, I will try to really mean it.
Be well, all of you, and may G-d in His Infinite Power heal the wounds I have inflicted and glorify His Name which I have profaned.