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Posted on 07/20/2009 9:32:05 PM PDT by bdeaner
“Peter you are Rock, and upon this Rock I will build my Church”
Peter believed in Purgatory.
Peter and the early Church had no problem with the Deuterocanonical texts, which supported purgatory.
I think we know the Church of England by her fruit very well.
Indeed, sir.
The Doctrine of Purgatory [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Purgatory: What Does It Mean? [Ecumenical]
Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective [Ecumenical]
PURIFYING THE SOUL ON EARTH IS WORTH 100X WHAT IT TAKES AFTER [Catholic Caucus] What Happens After Death?
Purgatory
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 12: Purgatory
The Doctrine of Purgatory
The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Required for entrance to Purgatory? Personal question for Cathloic Freepers.
(Protestant) Minister Who Had Near-Death Episode Believes In Purgatory
Straight Answers: What Is Purgatory Like?
Do Catholics Believe in Purgatory?
Purgatory, Indulgences, and the Work of Jesus Christ (Discussion)
Prayer to Release the Souls of Purgatory
The Forgotten Souls in Purgatory
Praying for the dead [Purgatory]
Your scripturural references are in some of the links in this list.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2297210/posts?page=44#44
Yes. Matthew 12:32 merely suggests that the “age to come” has stages that involve forgiveness. It alone does not prove anything beyond that.
Let us not forget that the souls in purgatory according to the doctrine under discussion possess the eternal life already.
Of course, "doctor". I wouldn't know the Catholic teaching if it weren't for you.
Nowhere in Matthew 12:32 does Christ make reference to “stages” in the age to come (eternal life). Essentially Christ says that if you speak against the Holy Spirit you won’t be forgiven in this lifetime or in the next lifetime. That doesn’t inherently imply that forgiveness of other kinds of sins occurs in the next lifetime. It means exactly what it says - you will not be forgiven ever for speaking against the Holy Spirit. In my opinion, there is no support in Mattew 12:32 for a concept of stages in the age to come or for Purgatory.
The author asserts that Matthew 12:32 provides evidence of Purgatory. He only cites one other New Testament verse, which I am not finished reviewing, and he doesn’t tie those two verses together. So one must assume that he intends those two verses to separately provide evidence of Purgatory.
Why didn't Jesus just say so?
You intention to read to the end of the article is good. Let me know how you do.
“”The Romish doctrine concerning Purgatory...is a fond thing vainly invented, and grounded upon no warranty of Scripture; but rather repugnant to the word of God” (Article 22 of the Thirty-Nine Articles of the Church of England produced during the English Reformation)”
Just before one gets to #22 of your source - one has to consider #20.
20. The Church hath power to decree Rites or Ceremonies, and authority in Controversies of Faith: and yet it is not lawful for the Church to ordain any thing that is contrary to God’s Word written, neither may it so expound one place of Scripture, that it be repugnant to another.
(Article 22 of the Thirty-Nine Articles of the Church of England produced during the English Reformation)
Contraception? Abortion? Priestess’? Priestess Bishops? Homosexual Bishops? Divorced Bishops?
Are they “contrary to God’s written word”? What does Sacred Scripture say about abortion?
The tribulation?
I think it does
No, it does not. It says what it says. THESE talk about "cleansing."
1 John 1:7
7but if we (A)walk in the Light as (B)He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and (C)the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Hebrews 1:3
3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact (A)representation of His nature, and (B)upholds all things by the word of His power When He had made (C)purification of sins, He (D)sat down at the right hand of the (E)Majesty on high,
Titus 2:14
14who (A)gave Himself for us (B)to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to (C)purify for Himself a (D)people for His own possession, (E)zealous for good deeds.
Acts 15:9
9and (A)He made no distinction between us and them, (B)cleansing their hearts by faith
Hebrews 9:14
14how much more will (A)the blood of Christ, who through (B)the eternal Spirit (C)offered Himself without blemish to God, (D)cleanse your conscience from (E)dead works to serve (F)the living God?
Revelation 7:14
14I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the (A)great tribulation, and they have (B)washed their robes and made them (C)white in the (D)blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:14
7 14Blessed are those who (A)wash their robes, so that they may have the right to (B)the tree of life, and may (C)enter by the (D)gates into the city.
And, it mentions how to "enter the city." There are more such verses where these came from.
ANNALEX: Of course, "doctor". I wouldn't know the Catholic teaching if it weren't for you.
I'm not offering "Catholic teaching;" but Scriptural teaching. Glad you noticed the difference.
But apparently on ecumenical threads you, Annalex, have taken it upon yourself to break FR religion rules by making the discussion personal.
Try to improve. You wouldn't want to be repenting for this transgression someday down the ever-shortening road.
I’m not defending the current apostate church of England. One of the very reasons that church is being corrupted from within is because it no longer holds to the majority of the 39 Articles the reformers founded on Scripture.
There is no difference, dear. (Is that friendlier?)
Jesus absolutely did say so. He said you won’t be forgiven in this lifetime or in the next. In the rest of the Bible, Christ only ever refers to two separate ages, this one and the next. If you won’t be forgiven in either lifetime, that means “ever” by definition.
I will read to the end of the article. However, it will take some time to research and consider each scripture reference. Therefore, I can only address one at a time. I do appreciate hearing your view and the chance to answer your questions on mine.
Blessings!
Dear.
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