You wrote:
“God’s standard might be more appropriate to worry about.”
In terms of abortion, birth control and divorce and remarriage they are one in the same.
“In Matthew 5, Jesus points out that God’s standard is too high for even the Pharisees to live by - and too high for any man to live by - and we thus need a Savior.”
And yet Jesus said divorce was wrong, but that Moses had lowered that standard. So who wanted higher standards? Moses or Jesus?
“So any Catholic who doesn’t live by this standard ceases to be a Catholic?”
He certainly isn’t a Catholic in good standing in the moral realm. And any Catholic who denies Catholic doctrine is clearly placing himself outside of the Church. Why do you think so many orthodox Catholics were upset about Notre Dame inviting Obama?
“Is Pelosi a Catholic?”
No. She only calls herself one.
“If not, has she been excommunicated?”
She excommunicated herself years ago.
“I’ve never met one.”
Then you don’t know many evangelicals. A year before Roe v. Wade the Southern Baptist Convention decided to support legislation allowing abortion in limited cases (a euphmism for rape and incest cases). Did you know that? That’s the largest evangelical body in America and they’ve been proudly pro-abort (ahem, in limited cases since the early 1970s.
“As a matter of politics and knowing the weakness of man, many would allow a rape/incest exception, but all that I’ve ever met agree that abortion isn’t admirable in those cases.”
Isn’t admirable? Murder of an innocent child isn’t admirable? Wow, talk about a lower standard.
“The Law of Moses, knowing the weakness of man, allowed divorce, and it is described as perfect. But I haven’t met an evangelical who calls abortion “just fine”.”
No, just “isn’t admirable”. Sounds “just fine” to me.
C'mon, you guys are too funny...Pelosie ex communicated herself??? Go ahead and ask her if she ex communicated herself...
The thing that totally excapes you religious types is that the Chruch of God is spiritual...You can no more add a soul to His church than you can remove one...
From a site:
The Southern Baptist Convention
initially called for legislation in 1971 that would allow for the possibility of abortions under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe to fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother. In 1976, the convention changed its position to oppose abortions used as a means of birth control. In 1980, the convention strengthened its position by supporting legislation and/or a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion except to save the life of the mother. In recent years the Southern Baptist Convention has taken an active leadership role in supporting pro-life legislation, including backing the PBA Ban Act and opposing FOCA and other pro-abortion measures. The convention has also developed a broad range of pro-life educational material for all levels, including a comprehensive pro-life Sunday school curricula and materials for Sanctity of Life Sunday in January.
“Called for legislation” being the operative word here. Unlike any other denomination, the SBC has NO jurisdiction over the local SBC church. NONE. Their resolutions are non-binding in terms of legislating what the local church does or does not do.
The posters urging you to place Biblical Standards above a particular denomination are indeed correct. As a Southern Baptist, I have no more nor less chance of salvation than you as a Catholic. It is NOT my denomination which will save or damn me - but my relationship to Christ. Standing in a garage doesn’t make one a car. God will not ask you to what denomination you belonged when you stand before Him.