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On Speaking Ill of the Dead
Livejournal.com ^ | 2009-07-08 | John C. Wright

Posted on 07/10/2009 5:38:22 AM PDT by jacknhoo

On Speaking Ill of the Dead A bit of advice to my fellow conservatives:

Do not speak ill of the dead.

I think you know to whom I refer, do you not?

A second bit of advice to my fellow Christians:

Do not speak ill of the dead.

Let us suppose that you are a wretched man, recently died under unseemly circumstances, whose life was made all the more wretched by fame. Oh? Do we not believe fame brings wretchedness? It brings its own temptations and its own sorrows that we private people, we happily private people never hunted by the sharkpacks of the press, never bloodlet by the parasites of wealth,know nothing of. It is like having a genii in a bottle: a very ignorant, somewhat diabolical genii, who will gleefully grant you the very wish that is your deepest wish, even if it destroys you.

Let us suppose you are a wretched yet famous man, who, passing through the horror of the grave, suddenly finds yourself, awed and surprised and terrified, at the gates of the Country of Endless Joy. And here at the gate sits your Creator, who made you for far finer things that what you have made of yourself, and now you must answer to Him. You must answer not for your public image, but for your innermost secret thoughts. You must answer for things no one else knows, not even your closest friends. Your heart will be measured in a balancing scale against a feather, and if your heart is heavy with sin, you will be thrown into an outer darkness, where the only sound is a wailing that does not end. But if the other pan of the balances lifts, the gates of bliss shall open.

How can you not pray, O Christians, for someone facing that judgment seat? You will stand there too someday. Your every word, including whether or not you spoke ill of the dead who cannot defend themselves, will come out of your own mouth to accuse you, and He who searcheth hearts will search yours.

When a man is alive, he can defend himself from criticism, whether justified or slanderous. When a man is dead, the angel of death who once passed over Egypt, sparing no first born of that land, stands at our elbow when we speak of the dead: and if he wears a helm of darkness, as the pagans feigned, we shall not see him, despite how real he is.

Remember, before you open your mouths, O my fellow Conservatives, O my fellow Christians, that your time on earth in not immortal either.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Prayer; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: charity; death; judgement; salvation
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1 posted on 07/10/2009 5:38:23 AM PDT by jacknhoo
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To: jacknhoo
You don't worship the dead either.....

Michael made all his own choices. He got messed up because of them. Just another ordinary weirdo.

2 posted on 07/10/2009 5:41:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jacknhoo

What if the wrenched fameoid is being deified. Should we still keep silent?


3 posted on 07/10/2009 5:41:45 AM PDT by DManA
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To: jacknhoo

Thank you.


4 posted on 07/10/2009 5:43:33 AM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: jacknhoo

Many people who believe, actually do so for want of a justification tool, and as a psychological convenience.


5 posted on 07/10/2009 5:43:55 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: jacknhoo
you spoke ill of the dead who cannot defend themselves

Yeah, about a guy who shagged little boys who could not defend themselves.

I don't pray for child molesters.

6 posted on 07/10/2009 5:45:12 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: jacknhoo

So I shouldn’t speak ill of Hitler, Mao or Stalin?


7 posted on 07/10/2009 5:55:16 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Refugee from the World of Doomed Olsens)
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To: jacknhoo

While true that our sins are equal in God’s eyes, I don’t intend to freak out at the passing of a mentally ill man.

I will say that the picture I saw yesterday of Michael Jackson inside a Publix that closed so he could walk around and ‘put things in a shopping cart like regular people’ kind of broke my heart.


8 posted on 07/10/2009 5:56:15 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out)
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To: humblegunner

Nobody said to pray for him.


9 posted on 07/10/2009 5:57:02 AM PDT by theknuckler_33
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To: theknuckler_33
"Nobody said to pray for him."

*screeeech*... whoops. Ignore that. Proceed.
10 posted on 07/10/2009 5:58:06 AM PDT by theknuckler_33
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To: jacknhoo

So are we to praise Hilter, Stalin and Mao? What about Saddam Hussein? Ted Bundy?


11 posted on 07/10/2009 5:59:43 AM PDT by monocle
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To: humblegunner
I don't pray for child molesters.

We're supposed to, you know. We're supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner, and pray for our enemies. We are to pray that the evil receive the grace of faith and are redeemed. The great saints prayed for those who persecuted and killed them. Christ prayed for those who were killing him, and asked that God forgive them. We are to imitate Christ.

Now this doesn't mean that I spend time on my knees praying for Michael Jackson, as I have bunches of other people to pray for. But we shouldn't rule out praying that dictators, killers, child molestors, etc. see the Light.

12 posted on 07/10/2009 6:00:41 AM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama!)
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To: ottbmare

It’s about 2 weeks too late to pray for Michael Jackson.


13 posted on 07/10/2009 6:03:25 AM PDT by Reddy
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To: jacknhoo

Speaking truth, at any time, is no vice. One needn’t be vicious about it, though.


14 posted on 07/10/2009 6:03:49 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Reddy
You mean, he's already in... ___________________________________________________________________________

Luke 6:37

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

15 posted on 07/10/2009 6:13:15 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: jacknhoo

I’m of the opinion that as a rule one should show consideration to the family of the deceased. However if no one ever spoke ill of the dead how could history ever be realistically taught? That devils like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were humanitarians who delivered the goods?


16 posted on 07/10/2009 6:16:25 AM PDT by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: Reddy

I don’t know, I’m not sure time operates the same way in Heaven as it does here, or even if it exists at all. Time may be something that exists only within the universe.


17 posted on 07/10/2009 6:20:31 AM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama!)
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To: RU88

I was just about to post something along the same lines. I’d draw a distinction between telling the truth and engaging in pointless vitriol, however. Truth should be foremost in our minds. So we can say, “Yes, Michael Jackson was in all probability a child molester and it’s wrong to glorify and adore him,” and still pray .


18 posted on 07/10/2009 6:28:01 AM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama!)
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To: MortMan
"Speaking truth, at any time, is no vice. One needn’t be vicious about it, though.

I believe that is exactly what the term ill, connotates or implies in this sense.

I know there are two forms of the passion of hatred - loathing and hostility. .

Loathing can be a virtue, when restrained to one's evil actions or some things being derived of evil. Whereas hostility is always sinful, because one takes a keen pleasure or immense satisfaction in seeing that particular someone has a difficult or or hard fate/life.
19 posted on 07/10/2009 6:32:33 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: ottbmare

That is a perfect course of action.


20 posted on 07/10/2009 6:56:07 AM PDT by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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