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To: Blogger; Petronski
Let's go through your links one by one:

1. ...he granted partial indulgences for material contributions to crusading This says that The Church banned Jousting Tournaments and other wars IN Europe were in effect BANNED by The Church -- the focus of the fighting armies in Christendom was supposed to be directed at the enemy, not at each other.

I think that was a good thing, don't you?

The Pope explicitly offered a full remission of sins if you went to protect persecuted Christians. He granted partial indulgences for material contributions to crusading -- in fact the article you quote states "This was not cynical fund-raising. For Pope Innocent it was a method of increasing participation in crusading -- of mobilising Christendom for the liberation of Jerusalem." --> do you somehow oppose the Pope for trying to liberate Jerusalem from Islamic hands, when those Caliphs had tried to destroy all our Churches there?

2. In 1453 the Turks finally sacked Constantinople, news of which terrified European leaders. Pope Nicholas V tried to organise a crusade to recover the city, but it was yet another failure. Pope Callistus III did manage to organise one, funded by the sale of indulgences, but it was diverted and finished up attacking Genoa.

The link you posted states " The Church regarded crusaders as military pilgrims. They took vows and were rewarded with privileges of protection for their property at home. Any legal proceedings against them were suspended"

It says as you quote "In 1453 the Turks finally sacked Constantinople, news of which terrified European leaders. Pope Nicholas V tried to organise a crusade to recover the city, but it was yet another failure. Pope Callistus III did manage to organise one, funded by the sale of indulgences, but it was diverted and finished up attacking Genoa. " -- I've not found ANY other link or historical document that talks about Pope Callistus III selling indulgences for this.

3. Kings and catholic princes who took from funds were promised indulgences if it a part was given for the Crusades or for the building of St Peter’s Basilica.

Again, no funding of crusades -- the princes were encouraged to Fund it themselves

4. A sale of indulgences was a promise that anyone who funded or fought in the Pope’s wars and crusades would be absolved of all of their sins and get a free trip to heaven

Again -- someone else funded, not the pope!
589 posted on 06/30/2009 7:15:09 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Cronos
Weren't there non Pope following Christians in the first millennium of the Church? Walenses(sp) or something?
591 posted on 06/30/2009 7:52:05 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Cronos

I WILL PUT THIS IN BIG LETTERS SO YOU MAY ACTUALLY READ IT. I AM THROUGH WITH THE CONVERSATION. ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. I HAVE MOVED ON TO OTHER THINGS. YOU AND PETRO TALK ALL YOU WANT. I'M OUTTA HERE.


593 posted on 06/30/2009 8:13:08 AM PDT by Blogger
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