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To: Salvation

The church Jesus founded huh?

Yes as the New Testament tells us, Jesus wore rich scarlet and purple robes, gold rings, cups, bowls, gold all over His grand palace, jewels in all His religious paraphernalia, wealthy beyond imagination, property, investments, His own city and corporations galore, armed guards at His beck and call, while needy and starving people all around Him suffered and died, He changed His superstitions every decade or so and overruled the Word of God whenever it did not fit His fancy. Worshiped idols and bowed to lavish traditions with the pomp followers He surrounded Himself with. How He prayed to His mother and dead people while selling salvation to those with money to buy it. Remember when He tortured people and burned them at the stake for being Jews or heretics because they would not join His religion.

You are right ‘salvation’ you have an old religion; but it never has had an relationship with the Son of God Who walked the dirty roads of Israel going to the poor, with no place to lay His head, rebuking the religious hypocrites of that day. How will the religious hypocrites of the religion in Rome escape the terrible end they have brought on themselves?

The RCC sells religion and God gives relationship. They are as opposite as it they be. Come out from them and walk in the Light of God, your heart is revealed by the purpose of this thread you started ‘salvation’...turn to the mercy of the Living God and find His freedom from this dark religion of devils and men.


247 posted on 06/27/2009 5:17:06 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life
Yes as the New Testament tells us, Jesus wore rich scarlet and purple robes, gold rings, cups, bowls, gold all over His grand palace, jewels in all His religious paraphernalia, wealthy beyond imagination, property, investments, His own city and corporations galore, armed guards at His beck and call, while needy and starving people all around Him suffered and died, He changed His superstitions every decade or so and overruled the Word of God whenever it did not fit His fancy. Worshiped idols and bowed to lavish traditions with the pomp followers He surrounded Himself with. How He prayed to His mother and dead people while selling salvation to those with money to buy it. Remember when He tortured people and burned them at the stake for being Jews or heretics because they would not join His religion.

Is that slander salad supposed to describe the catholic Church?

Good grief.

248 posted on 06/27/2009 5:21:18 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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Yes as the New Testament tells us, Jesus wore rich scarlet and purple robes, gold rings, cups, bowls, gold all over His grand palace, jewels in all His religious paraphernalia, wealthy beyond imagination, property, investments

I realize you are being sarcastic here, but you got it partly right in this first section of your response I have quoted. The New Testament you'd be referring to would be Revelations.

I invite you to attend a Catholic Mass and then read John's Book of Revelations. All of the major elements of the Catholc liturgy are described by John in the Book of Revelations, as the heavenly liturgy. From Scott Hahn's The Lamb's Supper: The Mass as Heaven on Earth (pp. 119-121):

Sunday worship: Rev. 1:10
A high priest: Rev. 1:13
An altar: Rev. 8:3-4; 11:1; 14:18
Priests (presbyteroi): 4:4; 11:15; 14:3; 19:4
Vestments: 1:13; 4:4; 6:11; 7:9; 15:6; 19:13-14
Consecrated celibacy: 14:4
Lamp stands, or Menorah: 1:12; 2:5
Penitence: Ch. 2 and 3
Incense: 5:8; 8:3-5
The book, or scroll: 5:1
The Eucharistic host: 2:17
Chalices: 15:7; ch. 16; 21:9
The Sign of the Cross (the tau): 7:3; 14:1; 22:4
The Gloria: 15:3-4; The Alleluia: 19:1, 3, 4, 6
Lift up your hearts: 11:12
The "Holy, Holy, Holy": 4:8
The Amen: 19:4; 22:21
The "Lamb of God": 5:6 and throughout
The prominence of the Virgin Mary: 12:1-6; 13-17
Intercession of angels and saints: 5:8; 6:9-10; 8:3-4
Devotion to St. Michael, Archangel: 12:7
Antiphonal chant: 4:8-11; 5:9-14; 7:10-12; 18:1-8
Readings from Scripture: 4:8-11; 5:9-14; 7:10-12; 18:1-8
The Priesthood of the faithful: 1:6; 20:6
Catholicity, or universality: 7:9
Silent contemplation: 8:1
The marriage supper of the Lamb: 19:9, 17


Take together, these elements comprise much of the Apocalypse--and most of the Mass.

Also, like the Mass, the Book of Revelations divides rather neatly in half. The first eleven chapters concern themselves with the proclamation of the letters to the seven churches and the opening of the scroll. This emphasis on "readings" makes Part One a close match for the Liturgy of the Word in the first half of the Mass. Significantly, the first three chapters of Revelation mark a sort of Penitential Rite: in the seven letters to the churches, Jesus uses the word "repent" eight times. This recalls the words of the ancient Didache, the liturgical manual of the first century: "first confess your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure." Even John's opening assumes that the book will be read aloud by a lector within the liturgical assembly: "Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear" (Rev. 1:3).

Revelation's second half begins in Chapter 11 with the opening of God's temple in heaven, and culminates in the pouring of the seven chalices and the marriage supper of the Lamb. With the opening of heaven, the chalices, and the banquet, Part Two offers a striking image of the Liturgy of the Eucharist, the second half of the Catholic Mass.

It's all in your Bible -- the one you espouse to be inerrant and infallible and your sole authority.

The early Christians, from the Apostles onward, were engaged in liturgy. See Mike Aquilina's The Mass of the Early Christians.

The rest of your post, er "rant," was mostly based on anti-Catholic propaganda and is either not factually correct or a gross distortion of the historical facts.

But in case you didn't know, the Catholic Church officially considers all Christians to be Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

God bless.
249 posted on 06/27/2009 5:30:44 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: free_life

Holy cow! hurling accusations to avoid defending man made doctrines... who could have seen tht one coming!


250 posted on 06/27/2009 5:31:20 PM PDT by papertyger (A difference that makes no difference is no difference)
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To: free_life

**The RCC sells religion and God gives relationship.**

Sells religion? Huh?


286 posted on 06/27/2009 8:18:44 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: free_life

I sought God’s mercy in the Sacrament of Reconciliation today, bnt not about this thread. This thread only states the facts.

BTW, from what church are you getting your misinformation about the Catholic Church?


288 posted on 06/27/2009 8:20:20 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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