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To: kosta50

All ACNA groups currently have a moratorium on ordaining women—because conservatives like me believe it is both against scriptural instructions from Saint Paul, and universal tradition. At the same time, they are not un-ordaining any women either—and female ordination proponents see the current moratorium as temporary...

The reason some individuals and leaderswould like to ordain women—even though they are evangelical, and take the bible seriously—is, I think:
A) They don’t take Saint Paul’s instructions as cross-cultural for all time...they see them merely for the church at that time, not ours (a hermanuetically very dangerous place to be, IMHO—especially for New Testament passages.)
B) Charismatic Christians have a big influence on Anglicans, as it was the Charismatics that brought evangelicalism BACK into the Episcopal Church in the ‘70s and ‘80s. Charismatics have never been very big on either tight scriptural hermeneutics or, tradition...(quite anti-traditional, actually).


20 posted on 06/25/2009 12:53:01 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: kosta50

One more thing, regarding all the huge number of splits amidst Protestants: Other than the Methodists, over 200 years ago, and, a small group of evangelicals (called the Reformed Episcopalians) over 100 years ago, there have been no great splits away from the Anglican Communion.

The Reformed Episcopalians Church too, is an enthusiastic part of ACNA—so in a sense is coming home—so really that just leaves us with the Methodists departed.

Oh well.

I wonder what Orthodox would do, if you had the likes of Katherine Schori (or her male equivalent) and her apostate gang—with no chance of being disciplined or removed—ruling over you?


21 posted on 06/25/2009 1:21:29 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns; Kolokotronis
All ACNA groups currently have a moratorium on ordaining women—because conservatives like me believe it is both against scriptural instructions from Saint Paul, and universal tradition. At the same time, they are not un-ordaining any women either—and female ordination proponents see the current moratorium as temporary

Why even invite Met. Jonah to speak of any intercommunion then? Why not invite him when intercommunion actually might be possible, that is—when the ACNA is ready to mee t the requirements? Are they hoping that intercommunion will be possible through some horse-trade compromise, with the Orthodox giving up something, and the Anglicans giving up a measured dose to make it even?

Look, whatever the reason(s) for some Anglicans approving "ordaining" women, it's dead on arrival, period. Whether they think Paul's instructions reflect social norms of that time, or whether it's Charismatic snake-bearing, poison-drinking charlatans "speaking" in Klingon, it's a non-starter. No Orthodox Church will take any intercommunion initiative seriously as long as there are Anglicans holding such views, and practices.

24 posted on 06/25/2009 7:45:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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