There's a very long line of learned and holy men since the group you mention who disagree with your heroes...
God did not write the scriptures so that learned men could understand them and translate to us what He had in mind...
The scriptures were written so the the average 14 year old can read them...
The only hard part about the scriptures is BELIEVING what they say, as you guys can surely attest to...
Would you so easily dismiss the accumulated wisdom of centuries on scientific or historical issues?
You mean like the creation story in Genesis??? I immediately dismiss your religion's unbelief in the creation story and your religion's connection with Darwin...I believe what God said...And no doubt, so did many of your 'early' church fathers...
When you guys claim that God didn't mean what he says or you add and take away words from a scripture to prove what you say is true, I throw that out with the dirty bathwater...
Your ignorance of Scripture is frightening.
Did not Jesus take Peter, James and John with him up Tabor and converse with Moses and Elijah? The three Apostles saw both Moses and Elijah for Peter said to Jesus, "Let us make three tents......" Or was that "Tarot card" stuff as well?
You said these saints confirmed that Mary never had more children...Then you use Moses and Elijah to confirm this??? Really, what saints told you guys that Mary had no other children???
How can the sinful give rise to the sinless? How can sinful flesh give rise to sinless flesh? That's your belief, right? Out of sinful human flesh came the Sinless One.
Of course...Jesus endured temptation...You think you can tempt God??? God has told you otherwise...
Jesus did not just have the appearance of a human...Jesus became human...
There are many incidents in the OT where the Angel of the Lord, which is Jesus, took on the appearance of a man...In that case, what you claim about Jesus is accurate...But when Jesus actually became flesh and blood, he got all the things that come with it...
Which is no doubt why there is such widespread division and lack of unity on what critical passages in Scripture actually mean amongst those who espouse the "personal interpretation" of Scripture viewpoint. I guess they're just too easy to understand. Or maybe it's because we're not 14?
FWIW, you may be interested to know that Scripture itself disagrees with you. Read 2Peter. Speaking of the letters of St. Paul, St. Peter apparently didn't get your memo. For he states;
And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.
2Peter3:15-16
So according to St. Peter, there are certain things in Paul's letters which are hard to understand. Where does your assertion about "14 year olds" find its Scriptural basis?
The only hard part about the scriptures is BELIEVING what they say, as you guys can surely attest to...
You're funny.
Why have thousands of Scripture scholars toiled through the centuries up until this very day in order to deepen our understanding of Scripture? What fools! What a waste of time! It's all so easy. Just ask your average 14 year old.
You mean like the creation story in Genesis??? I immediately dismiss your religion's unbelief in the creation story and your religion's connection with Darwin...I believe what God said...And no doubt, so did many of your 'early' church fathers... When you guys claim that God didn't mean what he says or you add and take away words from a scripture to prove what you say is true, I throw that out with the dirty bathwater...
No, that's not what I'm referring to. You blithely dismiss the opinions of doctors of the Church and the accumulated wisdom of scholars down through the centuries.
My question asked whether you were equally quick to dismiss the accumulated wisdom in other areas of the human endeavor, such as science or philosophy for instance. Have you come to accept Newton's Laws yet, or are they baloney, too?
You said these saints confirmed that Mary never had more children...Then you use Moses and Elijah to confirm this???
Please. Don't be deliberately dense.
I stated that one of the pieces of evidence that Mary never had more children was the writings of mystics and saints.
You scoffed about talking with the dead and made references to crystal balls and tarot cards. I replied that the scriptural example of Jesus and the three apostles conversing with Moses and Elijah indicated that there was nothing novel about the living conversing with holy men who had departed this life.
I shouldn't have to say this but the encounter of Jesus, Peter, James and John with Moses and Elijah is not evidence that Mary had no more children but that mystical experiences with saints and holy men is not without precedent in Scripture.
Really, what saints told you guys that Mary had no other children???
There's a list of some of the more well known mystics right here. It's by no means extensive but many of those listed have written on the Blessed Virgin.
Of course...Jesus endured temptation...You think you can tempt God??? God has told you otherwise...
Jesus was tempted in the desert by Satan. Temptation is not synonymous with sin. What does that have to do with sinful flesh giving rise to sinless flesh?
There are many incidents in the OT where the Angel of the Lord, which is Jesus, took on the appearance of a man...In that case, what you claim about Jesus is accurate...But when Jesus actually became flesh and blood, he got all the things that come with it...
Including sinfulness?
BTW, a couple of "minor" points. Jesus is the incarnate son of God born of Mary. The OT predates that.
Also, an angel of the Lord is not Jesus. An angel is an angel. Don't confuse the two.
He was tempted in every way as we were. How else could He understand humanity? He just didn’t give in to that temptation as we are prone to do.