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To: vladimir998

You wrote:

Sure the Church has such authority. Christ gave the Church authority. Christ sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Church. He never sent the Holy Spirit to guide any sect.

The Holy Spirit is in all believers, he is our teacher, not the pope.

“It adds nothing to scripture. Sola scriptura, however, cleary does add to scriptura for, as everyone knows, no where is sola scriptura taught in scripture.”

Galatians 1

1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers with me,
To the churches in Galatia:

3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

No Other Gospel

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

“There doesn’t have to be. No where in scripture is it taught that all things must be in scripture.”

You’re going to trust your salvation to tradition, written by sinners ? we’re talking eternity Vlad !!!

“Yes. Have you ever heard of Christ being called the King? What do you call the mother of a king? A queen, obviously.”

Find out what God says about the Queen of Heaven and worship of false Gods that your church has created of Mary.

12 “ ‘Go now to the place in Shiloh where I first made a dwelling for my Name, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of my people Israel. 13 While you were doing all these things, declares the LORD, I spoke to you again and again, but you did not listen; I called you, but you did not answer. 14 Therefore, what I did to Shiloh I will now do to the house that bears my Name, the temple you trust in, the place I gave to you and your fathers. 15 I will thrust you from my presence, just as I did all your brothers, the people of Ephraim.’

16 “So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger. 19 But am I the one they are provoking? declares the LORD. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?

20 “ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: My anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground, and it will burn and not be quenched.
Jeremiah 44

Disaster Because of Idolatry

1 This word came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews living in Lower Egypt—in Migdol, Tahpanhes and Memphis [a] —and in Upper Egypt [b] : 2 “This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You saw the great disaster I brought on Jerusalem and on all the towns of Judah. Today they lie deserted and in ruins 3 because of the evil they have done. They provoked me to anger by burning incense and by worshiping other gods that neither they nor you nor your fathers ever knew. 4 Again and again I sent my servants the prophets, who said, ‘Do not do this detestable thing that I hate!’ 5 But they did not listen or pay attention; they did not turn from their wickedness or stop burning incense to other gods. 6 Therefore, my fierce anger was poured out; it raged against the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem and made them the desolate ruins they are today.

11 “Therefore, this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am determined to bring disaster on you and to destroy all Judah. 12 I will take away the remnant of Judah who were determined to go to Egypt to settle there. They will all perish in Egypt; they will fall by the sword or die from famine. From the least to the greatest, they will die by sword or famine. They will become an object of cursing and horror, of condemnation and reproach. 13 I will punish those who live in Egypt with the sword, famine and plague, as I punished Jerusalem. 14 None of the remnant of Judah who have gone to live in Egypt will escape or survive to return to the land of Judah, to which they long to return and live; none will return except a few fugitives.”

15 Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, [c] said to Jeremiah, 16 “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD! 17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. 18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”

19 The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes like her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”


171 posted on 06/24/2009 3:54:45 PM PDT by Veeram ("Any fool (Liberal) can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." ---Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Veeram

You wrote:

“The Holy Spirit is in all believers, he is our teacher, not the pope.”

The Holy Spirit guides the Church, not sectarians in their heresies and schisms. You’re in a sect. Period. Also, Christ chose the first pope. To deny that Christ or His chosen leader of the Apostles has authority is simply nonsensical.

You quote Paul. He was chosen as an Apostle by God - but cleared his teaching with Peter and the other Apostles.

“You’re going to trust your salvation to tradition, written by sinners ? we’re talking eternity Vlad !!!”

Which is exactly why I trust the Church Christ sent, you know, the one you trusted to pick the New Testament books for you.

“Find out what God says about the Queen of Heaven and worship of false Gods that your church has created of Mary.”

Mary is not a goddess, nor a false goddess, nor to be mistaken with anyone or any figure in the Old Testament. Only someone hellbent - and I am very deliberately using that word - on damning the Mother of God (yes, Jesus is God and Mary is His mother) would try to compare her to a false goddess mentioned in the Old Testament centuries before she was born.

But in the end, anti-Catholics like yourself, have no other recourse than to slander Christians, Christ, His Church and even His mother. In that one post you did all of that.

Ceiling. Watch.


187 posted on 06/24/2009 8:34:08 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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