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To: vladimir998

You wrote:

“How could you be an expert witness when you already said this: “Maybe cause I didn’t like going to church when I was younger and disliked the nuns who hit us.” And how about this, “There were readings, but as a grade school kid, I was looking at my watch, or the ceiling or something else to kill the time.”

You’re reaching now, Vlad ! I know you find it hard to believe one of your perfect catholic church’s did not encourage Bible reading, but it’s true !

“So, you admit you paid more attention to the staring at the ceiling and your watch than what was being said, and you clearly didn’t like church or the nuns because they hit you. That doesn’t sound like the making of an expert witness on what was taught.”

My claim that they didn’t encourage Bible reading still stands.
Hey, I was there, you weren’t. You don’t have to believe it.

“The Bible isn’t school work”

It could have been, but it wasn’t at my school.

“Even Jesus Himself said the same prayer three times in the garden of Gethsemene.”

Three times is one thing, but we’re talking thousands of times, even millions.

“Do you think Jesus displeased God the Father in the garden of Gethsemene? I guess you’re not married or you never say, “I love you” to your wife because that just gets repetitous right?”

Jesus spoke to the father a lot, but didn’t repeat himself thousands of times.

“Were the Temple rites boring?”

Don’t know, I wasn’t there.

“I have never met a grade school kid who was so completely disinterested in his own life.”

You haven’t been paying attention, I was never disinterested in my life, just the mass.

“Also, you already mentioned how you did everything you could to not be interested or inquisitive.”

I never said that.

You may find the mass riveting, but I didn’t.

“Maybe you would have found Jesus boring too.”

I doubt it.


161 posted on 06/23/2009 1:26:12 PM PDT by Veeram ("Any fool (Liberal) can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." ---Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Veeram

You wrote:

“You’re reaching now, Vlad ! I know you find it hard to believe one of your perfect catholic church’s did not encourage Bible reading, but it’s true !”

No. First of all, it wouldn’t be a “catholic church’s” but a “parish’s”. There are only about 22 Catholic Churches in the world. You’re not talking about any one of them. You’re talking about ONE parish in one of those churches. Again, are you sure you were Catholic? If the term “parish” is unfamiliar to you...

“My claim that they didn’t encourage Bible reading still stands.”

Stands on what? Again, you admitted you looked at the ceiling and your watch. Who knows what they encouraged you to do but you were too busy NOT PAYING ATTENTION to notice.

“Hey, I was there, you weren’t. You don’t have to believe it.”

You WERE NO THERE in spirit. You already admitted to staring at the ceiling and your watch. Again, how do you even know what was taught when you already admitted you didn’t pay attention? Again, it reminds me of this:

“You see,” she said, “I was born Catholic. I attended Mass every week, received the Sacraments and graduated from a Catholic school. Not once did I ever hear the gospel proclaimed. Not once! It was after the birth of my first child that a good friend of mine shared the gospel with me and I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior and became a Christian. Now I belong to a Bible-believing church and I’m sharing the gospel with whomever will listen.” http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-do-catholics-hear-gospel-gary.html

“It could have been, but it wasn’t at my school.”

Maybe not, but you had no curiosity in any case. Ceiling. Watch.

“Three times is one thing, but we’re talking thousands of times, even millions.”

So? Jews say the same Psalms every day. The saints and angels in heaven repeat the same prayers FOR EVER. “Without stopping day or night they were saying, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, who is, and who is coming.”” (Rev. 4:8) I guess you better tell God to put a stop to that stuff right away, huh?

“Jesus spoke to the father a lot, but didn’t repeat himself thousands of times.”

Yes, He did. Every day, Jesus prayed the prayers that all Jews at the time prayed. That means He repeated Himself thousands and thousands of times.

“Don’t know, I wasn’t there.”

You were in a temple of the Lord for Christians...but you were too busy looking at the ceiling and your watch.

“You haven’t been paying attention, I was never disinterested in my life, just the mass.”

Which - if you really went every week and occasionally for school - was a part of your life. Ceiling. Watch.

“I never said that.”

Ceiling. Watch.

“You may find the mass riveting, but I didn’t.”

Ceiling. Watch.

“I doubt it.”

Ceiling. Watch.


162 posted on 06/23/2009 2:36:07 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Veeram
I know you find it hard to believe one of your perfect Catholic Church’s did not encourage Bible reading, but it’s true !

No it's not true. It's a scabby sulfurous lie.

182 posted on 06/24/2009 7:06:45 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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