Posted on 06/11/2009 3:16:58 PM PDT by Dov Shalom
For those who objected to my post yesterday quoting Holocaust Museum shooting suspect James von Brunn on the role of evolutionary doctrine, however distorted, in his rationale for racism, let me ask you a question. Try this thought experiment. If in his crazed manifesto he had somehow found support for his thinking not in evolution but in intelligent design, do you think we would have heard nothing about it from the media as in fact we've heard nothing (except from me) about his evolutionary thoughts? What if he had based his hate explicitly on Biblical literalist creationism? Or on Roman Catholicism? Or Evangelical Protestantism? Or Orthodox Judaism? Would that similarly have been hushed up?
Continue the thought experiment. Let's say, in this imaginary scenario, that the media had indeed made clear his support for intelligent design, creationism, Roman Catholicism, or what have you. Would you then be condemning the media as you condemn me?
Please tell me your answer. Honestly now, and without resorting to personal abuse if you can possibly manage it. For those who can't manage it, please go ahead and answer anyway. I still want to hear your reply.
He was a leftist, a paganist, and a socialist, there’s really nothing more to be said.
BTW I’m an evolutionist Christian.
As the wonderful world of what-ifs, may, maybe, might have, if, could, would, etc. turns...
I read it 4 times myself and didn’t get it.
This von Brunner apparently justified his actions with a rambling screed based upon evolutionary tenets, and the author was attacked on Beliefnet for pointing that out.
This is a response by the author, wondering if the man’s beliefs would be given such a pass, if he’d been on the creationist side of things.
He wouldn’t.
http:/www.freerepublic.com/tag/jamesvonbrunn/index
http:/www.freerepublic.com/tag/koskidvonbrunn/index
http:/www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2141655/posts
http:/www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2268878/posts
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whoops.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/jamesvonbrunn/index
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/vonbrunn/index
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/koskidvonbrunn/index
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2141655/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2268878/posts
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2269146/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2269205/posts
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2269866/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2269942/posts
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to post 7 - I’ve never understood why some do this. Were you people hall monitors in school?
Even worse ... what if he’d been a tuna sandwich?
The man was a psychotic killer who didn't know a blessed thing about biochemistry, math or science whatsoever. His psychosis was so profound it rendered him incapable of rational thought. So any claim that the man could even grasp the science of evolution is laughable.
"What if he had based his hate explicitly on..."
The man is driven fundamentally by emotion, an ever present anger specifically, and the spurious associations he held were simply elements of the unorganized and illogical fantasies he found consistent with that ever present anger. Here's a clue: The man attempted a citizen's arrest of the FRB with a sawed off. His motive was the anger generated by his psychotic state, not high interest rates.
A psychotic's thoughts on matters aren't relevant for anything other than diagnostic evidence and for feedback on the effectiveness of any meds given. The idea that they mean anything else is ridiculous.
The creepy Lettermans and Shep Smiths of the world would be having a field day. Of course, since Von Brunn agrees with THEM on evolution, they will find nothing pseudo-amusing to say! Bob
The shooter was motivated by antisemitism, not evolution.
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