Posted on 06/09/2009 3:18:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
Sorry, no can do.
Those who have followed in the footsteps of Pelagius and Arminius.
Forgiveness is devine.
If you can't find one, then withdraw your slander of "most folks".
Thank you.
http://wwwmyjesustalk.wordpress.com/things-to-consider/life-changing-by-bill-keller/money-cant-buy-you-salvation/
"The only issue to be determined is do we spend that eternity WITH God who created us or APART from God who created us. Each person makes that choice in either accepting or rejecting God’s ONLY plan of salvation through faith in His Son Jesus Christ."
What this is saying is that money can't purchase your salvation but your "Choice" does. It is saying that you Purchase salvation by your "Choice" clearly.
Also according to the statement above, ones "choice" buys eternal life.
This clear statement shows the Arminian position of buying Salvation through a persons will (their "choice").
However, since the Scripture says that "there is none that seeketh after God", the heart and the willingness must come from God. A confession of faith, reveals the faith planted by God and is saved by God.
The belief that ones "Choice" purchases salvation has an unfortunate side effect, it that it fosters, consciously or unconsciously, the belief that one can "Unchoose" their Salvation, and Unpurchase it. That in a moments indiscretion one can throw it all alway.
Praise be to God. That He has purchased the Salvation of His Elect, Implants faith, Woos them to himself and they willingly come to Him. Jesus's words comfort "Truly Truly, he who believes has Eternal Life".
There is no purchase through ones Choice.
That is utter nonsense.
Even a Calvinist has to make a "choice" to follow Jesus. Now maybe that "choice" is made possible only because God has given him a new heart, but unless they make the "choice" and many choices that follow, then their salvation is not secured.
Now show me where any Arminian has stated he "purchased" his salvation, or apologize.
Man does not "secure" his own Salvation, God has ordained the Salvation of the Elect and it comes to pass exactly as He has decreed.
That is utter nonsense.
Where is your proof?
So what you are saying is that if you are "elect", you can literally go through your whole life without ever making any choice about following Christ or following his teachings, and if God has chosen you, you are saved?
Then why did great Calvinist preachers like Spurgeon and Edwards exhort people to drop their stubborn resistance to God and to fall on their knees and repent and make an affirmative decision to follow Christ?
If you want I can show you the sermons.
Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (2 Pet 1:10-11).
This sure looks like "cause and effect".
Paul certainly doesn't say, "hey, if you're elect, you got nothing to worry about. Eat drink and be merry as your destiny has been secured no matter what you do."
You MUST believe. You MUST repent. These are choices you MUST make.
Have you ever made any of those "choices"?
Since it is an "Election" by God, the making sure is examining ones foundation for service. The New American Standard reads "for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you"
Meaning the proclamation of the Gospel and the hastening the Elect through that door rather than ones own Salvation.
No, I have proven my point, that many believe they purchased their Salvation by their "Choice", by simply providing the one example you requested. I've mentioned the logical consequences of that belief - that one can just as easily "Unchoose" - Loose their Salvation - in a fleeting moments indiscretion.
I've mentioned the Sovereignty of God in Salvation. That again is enough for me on the subject.
As for repentance. At Virginia Beach in 1973, I repented of my sins and my life and handed it to God lock stock and barrel - just as the faith He gave me to say it.
I used to believe that choice was the important one, but now I see His choice of a Spiritually Dead, Non Seeker of God, One who does no Good (as it says in Romans 3) was the important one.
I bid you, Adue
I guess that means you're not going to answer my question?
BTW it is spelled Adieu.
First grammar errors, now spelling errors. Tsk Tsk.
BD, why is it that Calvinists (at least the ones who post here) seem to recoil at the thought of admitting that they have made choices in life? I mean even if God alone gives you the power to make good choices, you still make them. That’s my reading of Calvin. Am I wrong?
Dr. Eckleburg:
You really need to deal with your unChristian attitude toward your brothers and sisters in Christ. Oh, and can you actually use the words of Arminius himself (in context and undistorted, if you are capable of that)?
Your argument that somehow a Trinitarian view presupposes “a predestination doctrine” is not logical and does not follow — unles the centerpiece of your doctrinal system IS Predestination, NOT the being and nature of GOD.
Stop being held captive to a philosophical system that binds you, forces you to hate those that diasgree with you and distort their words, and who must argue in circles to prove its own points.
The Doctrine of Arminius is based, at least in part upon that of Pelagius.
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THis is a typical Calvinist presupposition — it’s patently false.
And I wonder what's due?
But you could bid me "Go with God" perhaps. :>) (or even Adieu)
In any case, you have not answered P-Marlowe's question. You might be elect, and you might have had been regenerated by God, but the proof of that is that YOU MUST receive and believe. You MUST "confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead."
If you have not done those things then you are not saved. I implore you, sr4402, "to make your calling and election SURE."
If you have done these things, then simply acknowledge that to p-Marlowe, and I'm sure he'll welcome you as a brother.
It's like they think the verse says "Choose Arminianism".
Hey sr4402, it doesn't say that!
It says, CHOOSE LIFE!
Have you done that?
It’s really very simple. Even if you believe God does it for you — has God moved your lips and heart to: “confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead.”?
If your lips and heart haven’t done those things, then it’s time to call upon the name of the Lord.
I suspect there are those who will refuse to do it because they might be mistaken for apostate Pelagians.
The "elect" don't have to do that to be saved... so they don't.
There are no confirmed elect whose lips have not confessed and whose hearts have not believed.
Anyone thinking he’s elect who has not met the Lord’s criteria is deceiving himself.
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