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Bishop Gets Probation for Ringing Church Bells (Phoenix)
KFYI radio ^ | June 4, 2009 | KFYI News

Posted on 06/04/2009 5:49:38 PM PDT by CedarDave

The leader of a Valley church gets three years probation and a ten day suspended jail sentence for ringing church bells .

Last month, Bishop Richard Painter of Cathedral of Christ the King Church was convicted of violating noise ordinances.

A Phoenix judge convicted the Bishop without any set standard or noise dosimeter readings, instead relying on testimony from four neighbors who said the bells were a problem.

The bells chimed every hour between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. The judge will allow the bells to ring once once Sundays and once during religious holidays. With help from the Alliance Defense Fund, Bishop Painter will appeael the conviction.


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1 posted on 06/04/2009 5:49:38 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

Who brought this case against the Bishop?


2 posted on 06/04/2009 5:54:57 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: CedarDave
Oh, for Heaven's sake. You really have to be petty to sue a church because of bell-ringing.
3 posted on 06/04/2009 5:57:28 PM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: SumProVita
Who brought this case against the Bishop?

Muslims who couldn't hear their muezzin's call to prayer?

4 posted on 06/04/2009 5:57:36 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: CedarDave
I've been trying to figure out what church this “bishop” is bishop of, with no luck. He's certainly not Catholic or Episcopal.

Perhaps someone with better googling skills than I have could help.

5 posted on 06/04/2009 5:58:12 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: CedarDave

What kind of bah-humbug complains about church bells? There is nothing more innocuous on this earth than the sound of church bells.


6 posted on 06/04/2009 5:59:28 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: Talisker

What about the muezzin’s calls to prayer in Dearbornistan?


7 posted on 06/04/2009 6:00:17 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Love means never shooting your own wounded, We love you, Carrie! (I think.))
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To: SumProVita
Who brought this case against the Bishop?

"...four neighbors who said the bells were a problem."

8 posted on 06/04/2009 6:11:33 PM PDT by CedarDave (Not new news: Obama has Pork Flu)
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To: CedarDave

Hmmmm...I would like to know more about these neighbors.....


9 posted on 06/04/2009 6:15:21 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: CedarDave

They think that’s bad wait until they get a mosque.


10 posted on 06/04/2009 6:22:43 PM PDT by AU72
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To: CedarDave

This is insane!


11 posted on 06/04/2009 6:27:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: CedarDave

I love the sound of church bells. So long as it isn’t at night, what kind of jerks find a problem with this?


12 posted on 06/04/2009 6:29:10 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Deo volente
" He's certainly not Catholic or Episcopal"

Then he could be Christian.

13 posted on 06/04/2009 6:29:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: CedarDave; SumProVita; Unam Sanctam

I’d like more evidence before howling over this. But then, part of the problem is that it doesn’t sound as if any objective standard of evidence was applied. Doesn’t put the court in a very strong position the next time a noise complaint is brought and there’s potentially a discriminatory aspect to it. If a mosque’s call to prayer is allowed to continue despite complaints, is it because it actually wasn’t nearly as loud as the bells? Or because the court was being indulgent towards the poor oppressed Muslims?

It’s possible that the bells really were very loud, and that people living nearby who work graveyard shifts and really need to sleep during the day were unable to block out enough noise with earplugs and closed double-pane windows to get enough sleep. Seems there also ought to be some consideration of whether the botherees moved to the site of long-standing bell noise, or whether the frequency and/or volume of the bell-ringing increased susbtantially after their arrival, or the bell-ringing was completely new since their arrival. This is a reasonable approach which has been used to deal with city folks who move the rural areas and then try to launch legal actions against neighboring farms for various sorts of smells.


15 posted on 06/04/2009 6:47:33 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Bishop Painter will appeael the conviction

Hmmm, better than impaling the conviction, I suppose.

16 posted on 06/04/2009 7:17:20 PM PDT by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: Deo volente

Christ the King and Cathedral pretty much says Catholic to me but I’m wondering if it isn’t an SSPX Cathedral, they have a large following in Phoenix.


17 posted on 06/04/2009 7:31:16 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Deo volente

Charismatic Episcopal:

www.cctkaz.com/


18 posted on 06/04/2009 9:51:33 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: editor-surveyor; stylecouncilor
" He's certainly not Catholic or Episcopal"
Then he could be Christian.

LOL.

The hell with this judge. Let freedom ring.

19 posted on 06/05/2009 8:17:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Deo volente

Charismatic. Apparently they like to play Catholic.

Here’s their parent group:

http://www.coctr.org/

“We are fully evangelical, fully charismatic, and fully liturgical/sacramental.”


20 posted on 06/05/2009 5:00:18 PM PDT by PAR35
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