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To: Zionist Conspirator
s a view based on tradition. Thank you. I didn't think I had read anything in scripture to support this notion. You obviously didn't read my previous posts, did you? Way to debate something. Your quarrel with the Catholic Church, while certainly understandable in its own context, is out of place here.

I did read your post. Based on your answer and since you didn't use any scripture to support your assertions I concluded that your view was based on tradition.

I simply can't debate tradition. It's pointless. I don't think tradition is holy or inspired whether it's Jewish or Catholic. Tradition can be good, but when there's scant evidence to support it scripturally it's worthless. This was a point that the messiah made clear.

96 posted on 05/26/2009 7:46:19 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I did read your post. Based on your answer and since you didn't use any scripture to support your assertions I concluded that your view was based on tradition.

If you did you didn't process it because I used Scripture itself to prove that the Tradition Moses received on Mt. Sinai is absolutely essential and that the Torah can't be understood without it.

I pointed out that the Torah commands that certain sacrifices be "heaved" and some to be "waved" (and it even describes situations, such as the installation ceremony for Aaron and his sons as priests where they are described as having been "waved") yet it nowhere explains how this "heaving" or "waving" is to be done. No where. Is this what you call not arguing from Scripture? Or are you simply too intellectually dishonest to deal with this?

Do you honestly believe that you could take a Thomas Nelson published King James Version and build the Tabernacle as described in the Book of Exodus based merely on the text itself with no oral instructions from G-d via Moses?

I also pointed out something else which absolutely shoots your position to pieces. The authoritative text of the Torah is not a printed book, not even in the original Hebrew. It is found only in the kosher Torah Scroll. And every single kosher Torah Scroll in the world is hand-written by a scribe according to a strict set of rules. If these rules did not exist there would be no kosher Torah Scroll and therefore nothing to translate into English or any other language. The Torah which you think excludes Oral Tradition actually would not have survived beyond the first generation if G-d had not given Moses a set of instructions for writing Torah Scrolls that details every detail--the sizes and shapes of the letters, the crowns attached to the letters, the spaces between the letters, etc. Scribes are called soferim (counters) because they have counted every letter in the Torah. No text in history is as authoritatively and authentically preserves as is the Torah, thanks to these Divine instructions for copying and writing it down. As I observed earlier, Protestants do not remember a world without a printing press (the printing press basically created Protestantism). They tend to assume that the Biblical text magically pops out of a printing press. It does not. Printed Bibles depend on the original hand-written Bibles, and the rules for writing those Bibles is not recorded anywhere in the Bible itself. Yet that these rules exist and that the writing of Torah Scrolls is utterly dependent on them, and could not take place without them, is self-evident.

Unfortunately, I doubt you will process this information. You are still arguing with the Pope. I'm not the Pope.

I simply can't debate tradition. It's pointless. I don't think tradition is holy or inspired whether it's Jewish or Catholic. Tradition can be good, but when there's scant evidence to support it scripturally it's worthless.

Wow. Good thing Moses found a printing press on Mt. Sinai popping out King James Versions, complete with the book of Ephesians and everything.

You evangelicals use the same logic to prove your religion that the mormons use to prove theirs.

This was a point that the messiah made clear.

When debating with someone who rejects J*sus as the messiah, you can't prove your point by simply claiming that J*sus was the messiah. That's simple logic. I hope you don't criticize mormons for proving Joseph Smith was a prophet by claiming he was.

97 posted on 05/26/2009 8:04:50 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Bachodesh hashelishi letze't Benei-Yisra'el me'Eretz Mitzrayim; bayom hazeh ba'u Midbar Sinai.)
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