Posted on 05/18/2009 9:12:37 PM PDT by bdeaner
and most who are in Galileo’s cheering section don’t know the first thing about planetary physics.
they claim that the sun is stationary. FALSE
they claim that the planets revolve in circles around the sun. FALSE.
they have no idea what parallax is.
Hey, if you’re going to quote from a book, use quotation marks. The first sentence from your post — the one that begins “Galileo was ordered to kneel down...” — is Fantoli’s (via Coyne’s translation), not yours.
>>> BTW, you will find nothing in this work resembling the revisionism of the posted article. <<<
Actually, you will find quite a bit of Fantoli’s book to be in accord with the posted article. Both try to arrive at an historical account of what happened in 1616 and 1633 without regurgitating the usual “warfare of science with theology” myth. Fantoli just presents ALL of the historical context — with footnotes!
Have you read either one?
Yeah, he stayed in bounds by delaying the publication of his thesis until the year of his death in 1543, and even then it was only the urging of others that overcame his reticence.
Galileo was born in 1564, and Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake in 1600, Galileo's 36th year. Wouldn't that have scared him? No ... he was playing the game, which Bruno had refused to do.
Bruno was not executed for his science. He was executed for his heretical religious beliefs about the Trinity, the divinity and incarnation of christ, the transubstantiation, the virginity of Mary etc. He was a pantheist. That’s why he was condemned.
Brown and Howard? Silly tripe for women and nothing more.
And you seem to get your information from uneducated people who literally have never studied the history of Government in Europe. Every government in Europe was a type of monarchy. Take a trip to Germany sometime for example, or France. Look at how the prince electors, kings, etc lived in their spendor. Note the dates. Note when the temporal governments were finally free from Vatican control.
Surely you dont argue that the vatican did not exercise the power to imprison back then? A Christian chiurch only gets this by falling into error. It doesnt come from Jesus, thats for sure.
I deeply admire anyone defending todays church. But some well-meaning, but clearly overzealous people, seem to think that defending the church today, means trying to justify anything they did back then.
Thats what my understanding of his building of his telescope was too.
>>> ...it’s revisionism. It promotes the view that the actions of the Church were consistent with a scientifically enlightened view, and that Galileo brought the whole thing upon himself with his rash agressiveness. <<<
Actually, towards the end of the article we find this:
“The mistakes that were made came from Galileo’s own personality and style, the Holy Father’s anger in believing that Galileo had personally deceived him, jealous competitive scientists out to get the acerbic Galileo and, frankly, tribunal judges who erroneously believed it was scientific fact that the universe revolved around a motionless Earth and that the Bible confirmed such a belief.”
Doesn’t look so onesided to me. Once again, have you even bothered to read the article?
>>> I think the record of his condemnation that I cited should be enough to give anyone pause. <<<
Correct. However, I think that both Bernini and Lockwood would agree that his trial and condemnation are poor fodder for “science vs. theology” myth-mongers and anti-Catholic bigots.
You are distorting the facts regarding Copernicus. Long before his death, in 1533, the Vatican — Pope Clement VII and a variety of Cardinals — were lectured on Copernicus’s heliocentric view. They did not condemn him nor jail him. He was afraid of the public’s reaction, not the Vatican’s reaction. That’s why he self-censored the book.
yeah, just governing doesn’t come from Jesus. yeah. Jesus wants the secularists to rule. yeah.
i wanna hear Rhino explain the parallax problem that the Copernicans ran into. How exactly is it that we know that the Copernican model is correct?
kosmos 1
I. order, kosmôi and kata kosmon in order, duly, Il., etc.; maps atar ou kata kosmon id=Il.; oudeni kosmôi in no sort of order, Hdt., attic
2. good order, good behaviour, decency, Aesch., Dem.
3. the form, fashion of a thing, Od., Hdt.
4. of states, order, government, Hdt., Thuc.
The recognition that Thomas is fundamentally an Aristotelian is not equivalent to the claim that Aristotle is the only influence on him. It is the claim that whatever Thomas takes on from other sources is held to be compatible with what he already holds in common with Aristotle.
- Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Saint Thomas Aquinas
“a misunderstanding about what Galileo was and was not permitted to say in his 1632 work” (permitted?)
And the result was house imprisonment for life.
Youre right, im wrong. Thats clearly what Jesus advocated doing to anyone who questioned him. Just like when Thomas asked to see the nail scars,,, No wait, thats a bad example, ill dig around some more. Im mystified how you defend these absolute dictators.
bump
Aristotle was not a pagan! Nor did His work produce a scientific revolution; it did not fully realize itself until it became integrated with the Christian worldview.
“They didn’t arrest and put Copernicus on house arrest, did they?”
That* is the point. Who in the hell is the Pope to have anybody ARRESTED?
Guess thats why Jesus tried to sieze the government in Jerusalem. And why he told Peter to set up a government complete with arrest powers. Now what chapter and verse was that again???
“Bruno was not executed for his science. He was executed for his heretical religious beliefs about the Trinity”
OHHHH,, well thats better! Like Jesus said,, if you find a nonbeliever, murder him.
y’all should list to Rhino. Jesus wants us to live like flower children. But, Rhino, flower children aren’t on the internet at 2 a.m.
“on earth as it is in heaven.” There may be authority in heaven, but have none on earth. Our kingdom is not of this world. Does that explain your cause, Desert?
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