Openly Homosexual Phoenix Priest Who Endorsed "Naked Boys Singing" Movie Excommunicated

LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/7/09 | Kathleen Gilbert

[trisham]

You know, that’s not a bad song at all.

[nothingnew]

Not that it matters to the man(?), but it's about time.

FMCDH(BITS)

[vladimir998]

What happened to the Legion of Decency?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Legion_of_Decency#Subsequent_history_of_the_Legion_of_Decency_and_successors:_1966.E2.80.932001

[el_chupacabra]

He used to be the pastor at Christ the King in Mesa.

[chuckles]

So you are saying only wayward priests can be excommunicated? Wow, I guess the church will be welcoming wicans next.( as long as they don't want to be a priest)

I'm sorry, this is just a sore spot deluxe with me. I am just absolutely sick about people that have no alignment with Jesus Christ, that murder babies, that approve of sodomy, and shout their disagreement with the Church from the roof tops, and are still accepted into the fold. You cannot be saved without repentance. You must END your rebellion with God. These people are angry that God disagrees with them and don't care if the church knows it. They OPENLY mock the church. IMHO, it's time for the church to make a statement that we love all comers, but you must repent of your rebellion against God. If there is no repentance, there is no salvation. Warming a pew and paying a tithe isn't going to get it done. Repeatedly, I am told that these aren't "real" Catholics and I don't need to worry about it anyway. Well, they say they are Catholic and the Church accepts them as Catholics. Until they receive some sort of sanction from the Church, it makes the Church look complicit in their sin. If the Church accepts abortion and sodomy, then it has become a farce.

Some Church official needs to stand up to these powerful figures and say that they can't buy their way into Heaven. If they still receive the sacraments, then the Church agrees with them.

[TotusTuus]

I'm glad he was excommunicated; I simply wonder how this situation could have gone on for so long.

Well, he was ordained under the previous Bishop of Phoenix and was never overtly homosexual, though he "ministered" to this crowd. You know, the "programs" started by some in the Church which were very weak in terms of correct teaching and essentially meant to be surreptitious of Church teaching in a clever way precisely by being weak as opposed to overt.

Bishop Olmsted came along and put a stop to those programs in Phoenix at which point Fr. Carpenter decided to resign the priesthood (about 3 years ago). From the Church's point of view it is not that easy - though suspended, Fr. Carpenter was still under the authority of Bishop Olmsted because of his priestly vows. He apparently has been in So Cal since then creating/joining/whatever in this new false church and publicly displaying that he indeed is a practicing homosexual.

Automatic Excommunication. The good Bishop has now made it public and confirmed it's reality. Maybe one day Fr. Carpenter will "confess, do penance, and amend his life for the better" and come back home to God and His Church. We should hope and pray so because, objectively speaking, the alternative for Fr. Carpenter has frightening consequences for not just his life here on earth, but eternity.

All in all there is a process that has to be followed by the bishops. It can seem slow at times, but 2,000 years of experience by the Church shows that it works out better in the long run.

[mgist]

This has all been prophesized. The banished children of Eve are persecuted by the enemy. Mary, our Heavenly Mother, still protects us.

Revelation 12: 13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring — those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

[markomalley]

No, chuckles. I did not say that.

I did say that a formal declaration of excommunication was made for the priest for schism, not for any other cause (including being a faggot).

I also did say that, in fact, he excommunicated himself by his actions. I also did say that the sole reason why this excommunication was solemnized was for the protection of the faithful in the area.

So please get what I said right, before pontificating on it.

Had the priest been punished for being a pervert, he would not have been excommunicated (believe it or not). He would have been laicized (i.e., stripped of the rights to exercise a priestly ministry or the right to call himself a priest). But there would not have been a declaration of excommunication. (Would that mean he wouldn't be excommunicated if he persisted? No, but the excommunication would have been latae sententiae -- in other words, automatic...no declaration of excommunication is needed)

Please try to read what I wrote.

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Now, as to the content of what you wrote.

To a degree, I agree with you. However, I can't help but to believe that it is getting better than it was in the past.

Take your memory back to last August, when Ms. Pelosi decided that she was a licensed theologian and started teaching "theology" on Meet the Press. Do you recall that? And do you recall the reaction of the bishops?

Then you have Biden making his comments last August. Again, a strong reaction.

And, of course, who could forget Pelosi's meeting with the Holy Father last February, where she related how she shared a picture of her father(?) in an audience, and the Holy Father released a summary stressing his mandate to protect human life from conception onwards. (All while denying her a photo op)

Then with the Notre Shame scandal. And other bishops starting to attend to the invitees to college commencements within their own dioceses.

Not all the bishops (nor do I pretend otherwise). Not all the incidents (nor do I pretend otherwise).

But, seriously, could you imagine even one bishop 10 years ago saying anything? I can't.

Could you imagine more bishops than you could count on one hand doing so 5 years ago?

There are two hundred some odd bishops in this country. Sixty six (the number that have come out against Notre Shame) is not perfect; it's not even good. But 10 years ago or even 5 years ago, there's no way I could predict that this many bishops would make such an uproar as has happened. Nor would I have predicted ANY bishops saying anything about Pelosi or Biden, as happened last fall.

The point is I am seeing an improvement. It's slow. It's frustrating. But it is happening.

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But rather than merely b***hing complaining on an online forum, what are you doing in the real world?

Is it being preached about in your parish? Have you talked to any of your priests about it? Have you agitated with any of your fellow parishoners to start raising the roof about the subject?

Have you written any letters about the subject? (Not complaints, not threats, but well thought out letters citing the appropriate sources backing up your feelings) Have you written letters to the editor of your local diocesan newspaper and encouraged your orthodox friends to do the same?

When your bishop comes to visit (as most do to most parishes at least once a year...at least around confirmation time), have you gone up and expressed your concerns? Perhaps relating real world stories of where you've heard people justify their disobedience because of the inaction regarding high profile "Catholics?" Or heaven forbid, have you tried to make an appointment to go talk to your bishop or an auxillary? Have you encouraged your orthodox friends to do the same?

Do you contribute to your Bishop's Appeal? If so, may I suggest stopping it...and letting him know that the reason why you don't is because you don't want to materially contribute to whatever evil is being supported by his fund.

Look, they hear from the libs. They hear from the queers demanding their rights. They hear from their fiduciary advisors concerns that some people might be offended and close their wallets. Maybe they need to hear from Orthodox Catholics.

You can do complain without showing some kind of disrespect for the bishop, too, by the way. Express your concern. Respectfully. Express what you know of the theology (or canon law or whatever) behind that concern. Respectfully. Express your observations on the impact. Respectfully. And then ask and listen. Respectfully.

But just complaining on an online forum is not going to cause the bishops to do anything -- chances are there aren't too many bishops who are FReepers. A couple of priests, yes. Bishops...don't think so.

[Victoria Delsoul]

The excommunication of Fr. Chris Carpenter, who has long been publicly opposed to the Church's condemnation of active homosexuality, was issued last month but only made public on Monday.

I'm glad!

[Antoninus]

In the old days, they would have castrated a low-life like this and paraded him around the city on a donkey.

I'm glad the archbishop did what he did--and publicly.

[Lauren BaRecall]

You can do complain without showing some kind of disrespect for the bishop, too, by the way. Express your concern. Respectfully. Express what you know of the theology (or canon law or whatever) behind that concern. Respectfully. Express your observations on the impact. Respectfully. And then ask and listen. Respectfully.

I've been thinking a lot about this lately, but I "took a number" to stand in line, and it was 2,499,999. :-)

I *have* been thinking of writing a letter, but I don't know if Archbishop Dolan would ever see it.

[Lauren BaRecall]

I'm wondering if Carpenter's salacious movie reviews are part of his homosexual “ministry.” /sarc

I'm very proud of Bishop Olmsted.

[chuckles]

I'm sorry it turned out to be MY fault that I don't do enough or complain to the RIGHT people to somehow convince the Church to put Kennedy and Pelosi on the rack. In some of my other B%&^$# sessions on FR, I have been attacked for even the mention that I should have Any SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CHURCH. Who am I to say the Bishops or priests should discipline anyone in their flock?

I guess I just can't win. Either I'm the one that needs to stir up the Church fathers, or I need to mind my own "lay" business.

I admit it, I'm too stupid to figure out how baby killers are fawned over one minute, and then a newspaper piece comes out from a Bishop condemning the same sin that was just voted on by their congressmen that took communion last week. And to top it all off, they run the next election and all the good Catholics vote for the Catholic because he/she is a Catholic. If the Catholic had horns and a tail, they would still get elected cause they are Catholic. I just don't get it.

Course, I'm from the south and really can't understand anyone from Massachusetts. The same "good" Catholics vote for Bwarney Fwank and to my knowledge, he's not even a Christian. How many Catholics voted for Obama and he's a guy who's only legislation he promoted in the Ill. legislature was to kill a baby AFTER it was born. I've heard it was 52%+. Somebody isn't communicating something from the church.

All I know is when Kennedy finally takes his last breath, I will have to leave the TV and computer off for a week. I won't be able to stomach all the Church hierarchy ooohing and aahhhhing over our fine catholic brother, the great humanitarian, and all the good he has done representing the church over the years. I will VOMIT. I'm sure it will be complete with men wearing kilts and blowing Amazing Grace from bagpipes. I'm sure they will even have quotes from the Kopechne family praising his heroics back at the bridge. As you can see, I have forgiveness issues I'm working on. After 40 million dead babies and a dead mistress, ( not to mention divorce), I just have trouble when he claims to be a Catholic. Hey, who am I to judge? Hitler may have made it also. God is a good God.

[markomalley]

I'm sorry it turned out to be MY fault that I don't do enough

It is YOUR fault and MY fault and all CATHOLICS' fault who complain but don't do anything about it. That's absolutely right.

Course, I'm from the south and really can't understand anyone from Massachusetts.

I know first hand that there are folk from MD who do the same thing. They complain to each other yet don't complain to the "right people" (as you say). But they're sick of it. I am confident that there are folk in MA who are fed up, as well as people in CA, and so on.

And I would wager that you are not the only one in your parish who is sick to death of seeing that. You might be. But I doubt it.

The problem is that the libtards are the ones who always complain. "The Church is not INCLUSIVE enough." "We believe there should be WOMEN PRYSTS." "We want you to celebrate the sacrament of matrimony for QUEER COUPLES too." "The Pope should get with the times and change teaching on BIRTH CONTROL." and so on.

Meanwhile, the faithful, orthodox Catholics just sit there. They continue to throw their money in the basket as always. They continue to faithfully contribute to the Bishop's Fund. And they sit with their thumbs up their ___es. And go onto Catholic Answers forum and b~ch, or go onto FR and b~ch, or whatever. And just get angrier and angrier.

Funny thing about the orthodox ones though: they won't vote with their feet, though, as they know there is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church: so they know that they can't do anything more radical than maybe find a better parish (if there is one available). It's not like they're going to switch denominations or go form their own.

And, meanwhile, the libtards complain.

And both of us know the saying, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."

And just because you're from the south...shoot, you guys are stuck with Wilton Gregory (Archbishop of Hot-lanta).

Look, all I'm saying is

• take some time to pray for these men (first, last, and always). These men, especially the good ones (and they do exist), are going to be under constant attack from Satan and his minions. They need your constant prayer.
• Take some time to make sure your own heart and head are right (and I'm not automatically saying it isn't). The goal here is the salvation of the souls of the politicians in question and the prevention of the scandal they are causing from leading more souls astray. As well as the salvation of the souls of those whom they may have led astray through their example. The goal cannot be, in this context, vengeance. "Vengeance is mine, I will repay" (Rom 12:19).
• Let them know your concerns. You can't assume that they automatically know this. Maybe they can teach you something that you didn't know before. I remember a few months ago, I was talking with a member of my parish's Liturgy Committee after they said they wanted to emphasize the role of female altar servers. I started to tell the person that this contrary to the teaching of the Church. He honestly didn't know. Come to find out, he had never seen the Congregation for Divine Worship document, Redemptionis Sacramentum (on certain matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist). I got him a copy. A couple of weeks later, I ran into him and he was jazzed. In fact, he said that he was getting a copy of it for all the other members to study, as well as getting copies for the cantors and EMHC's in the parish. Point being, he honestly didn't know. Not just about female altar servers, but about a bunch of stuff.
• Get other likeminded folks to do the same. If you are the only squeaky wheel, you may be dismissed. But if even a few (or better yet, a lot of) likeminded people start acting, they'll start taking notice. Even in a liberal place like the Archdiocese of Boston. And yes, I hope that some FReepers who live in the Northeast and in California read this and do the same.

I'm sorry

So am I. Sorry for going off. But something needs to be done. And not just in the Etherspace of the Internet.

[markomalley]

I've been thinking a lot about this lately, but I "took a number" to stand in line, and it was 2,499,999. :-)

Dolan has auxillaries, you know.

I *have* been thinking of writing a letter, but I don't know if Archbishop Dolan would ever see it.

I'll maintain that your letter, by itself, probably wouldn't. But you, along with 1,000 of your closest friends, would.

But Dolan is the new guy. Give him prayer and a little patience.

Try to find out what his schedule is for going around the parishes (he will). And try to be where he is when he's there. Something like this: "Your Excellency, welcome. I'm glad you're here. I really hope that you can do something about these pro-abortion politicians (like ___, ___, and ____) receiving communion and about the queer activists and the other scandals that are affecting the archdiocese. Welcome, sir." That would take 20 seconds while standing in line to shake his hand (which he will do).

(again, if you're the only one doing it, I realize it won't have much impact. But what about if he sees a whole lot of people pleading with him at every parish he visits?)

[mware]

, Carpenter precipitated the excommunication by joining the "Reformed Catholic Church," an offshoot religious group that endorses homosexuality, homosexual priests, and women priests.

The schism is coming. If it does, I am standing with Rome.

[chuckles]

I think we agree on the problem, I just don't agree with the solution. I have ZERO effect on the governance of the Church, The people that govern the church aren't willing to do what must be done to follow the lead of Christ. When Jesus came to the Temple, He threw the money changers out. That was His Father's House. He didn't overturn anything outside the Temple. Outside were whores, thieves, murderer's, tax collectors, everything we have today. But inside the church, he didn't accept any trash as being "normal". The Corinthians felt tolerance of sin in church was a virtue. Paul told them to kick the sinners out and let them be with Satan. If the sinners have the sin explained to them and they refuse to repent, why have them around the saints?

The governance of the church must come from Christ. If the political structure of the church forbids disciplining the trash in the church, you aren't helping the trash, and you end up with cancer in the church. I can assure you the schism we have with birth control, women priests, and on and on, comes from tolerance of sin in the church, not from lack of concern from the laity.

If I attended the same Mass as a Kennedy or a Pelosi and confronted them with their sin, what do you think would happen to me? I WOULD BE THE ONE THROWN OUT! The priest's, bishops, cardinals, and even the pope most likely has met them and knows them by name. What did they do, what did they say? Are you suggesting each church have a cabal of enforcers to confront Democrats and their abortion/sodomy views?

You and I and millions of others see the problem, we just disagree on who's job it is to fix. My solution entails the church fathers telling the sinners that this is what catholics believe and if you just can't, then you can't be a catholic. As a matter of fact, I don't know of many prots that would put up with open rebellion very long. Accepting sin in our midst brings the sin in among the sheep.

[mckenzie7]

I’m with you. Prayers for this poor ex priest and the people that he led astray.

[Lauren BaRecall]

Thanks for your suggestions, which are wonderful. :-)

I don’t want to be pessimistic, but the odds of my meeting the Archbishop are not very good. There are 400 parishes in the Archdiocese, which is composed of several counties reaching between the southern tip of Staten Island to almost Albany, on both sides of the Hudson River.

He’s started with Vicariate visits (I think there’s 29 of them), and you have to be selected to attend one of those

I’m literally falling asleep...I’ll think more about it tomorrow. Thanks

[Neoliberalnot]

Male homos chasing young boys is part of the lifestyle. When will the public open their ignorant eyes and view the deviant lifestyle for what it is, not what the Will and Grace show script it to be.