Hugh Hewitt Redefines Mormonism for Mitt Romney

Apologetics Index ^ | May 22, 2007 (updated Nov. 11, 2008) | Kurt Van Gorden

[Elsie]

Does Joey Smith know he was fooled by two conmen in fancy duds ???

Maybe - but the Book seems to indicate he is SLEEPING right now: awaiting a certain TRUMPET sound!

[Elsie]

Well, he DOES NOW!

He might know that HE conned lots of people with his stories of two PERSONAGES.

[Elsie]

This is in the family of body waste it is not any different than the other potty words!

Are THESE 'translated correctly'??

KJV Isaiah 36:12

KJV 1 Samuel 25:22
KJV 1 Samuel 25:34

KJV 1 Kings 14:10

KJV 1 Kings 16:11

KJV 1 Kings 21:21

KJV 2 Kings 9:8

KJV 2 Kings 18:27

 

[Elsie]

And again, since Romney was the subject of this thread, why doesn't this little "nugget" of what a Mormon prophet can do rarely mentioned in light of a potential Mormon in the White House?

He IS??

I had forgotten!!

[Elsie]

And again, since Romney was the subject of this thread, why doesn't this little "nugget" of what a Mormon prophet can do rarely mentioned in light of a potential Mormon in the White House?

Well...

we ALL are 'potential' Mormon's; but I think you meant...

"...in light of having a Mormon potentially in the White House?"

[Elsie]

 

 Just because it is in there does not mean one should highlight it!

 

 

 

 

This is full of it and I highlight it all the time!

 

 

Stuff it, Deary!!

[Elsie]

It still is pig talk and certain brand of so called Chistians love to bring that topic up and wallow in it!

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,

“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

 

[Elsie]

Such ignorance some beleivers try to peddle!

Such ignorance the LDS Organization takes advantage of.

[Elsie]

Do you remember the Mark Hoffman forgery murders? He took the LDS prophet for millions of dollars by creating then selling forged documents that made the LDS church look bad. SLC bought them up in order to keep them hidden and/or destroy them.

I'm SURE that FAIRLDS and FARMS have a perfectly reasonable explaination of this event.

(At least to TBM's)

Can you IMAGINE a Mormon President, given the information that Weapons of Mass Destruction were in IRAN; needing a REVELATION to re-inforce this 'data' before acting...

[Elsie]

The Mormon General Authorities looking at the documents decided to purchase the Salamander Letters because Mark Hoffman's documents may have been authentic, or the documents may have been written by enemies of the church. Quotes of the late Mormon prophet Gordon B. Hinckley support both positions, although Hinckley's statements were made after the Salamander Letters were known to be a forgery. =================================== Shoot the arrow; THEN draw the target.

[Elsie]

pig talk!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2239731/posts

[colorcountry]

I know some people are floating the trial balloon of John Huntsman, Governor Utah, for POTUS.

They (the powers that be) really, really want a Mormon in there badly - I wouldn’t be surprised if Harry Reid is next for consideration.

[Tennessee Nana]

PING to # 819

[colorcountry]

self-flatulation

Whew, hoh......ROTFLMHO....

Resty - I know you didn't mean to, but thanks for brightening my day!

[Tennessee Nana]

Can you IMAGINE a Mormon President, given the information that Weapons of Mass Destruction were in IRAN; needing a REVELATION to re-inforce this ‘data’ before acting...
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Actually Romney did confess during one of the debates that first he would consult his “attoneys” before he did anything else...

Meanwhile NY is burning...

[Tennessee Nana]

They (the powers that be) really, really want a Mormon in there badly - I wouldn’t be surprised if Harry Reid is next for consideration.
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LOL

Or Jay Bybee

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2239640/posts

[Utah Binger]

Blue Flame Ceremony Coming Up

* He who observed it served it.
* He who first ejected it detected it.
* He who said the rhyme did the crime.
* Whoever spoke last set off the blast.
* Whoever smelt it dealt it.
* Whoever denied it supplied it.
* The next person who speaks is the person who reeks.

[Colofornian]

The Church does not do that but who can stop some from creating fear! You never pipe up when Billy Graham or even where Obama is getting his religious council from! [Restornu]

What do you mean the church does not do that? From your own context, "that" = giving "council"

We've already established, based upon what LDS prophet Ezra T. Benson said, that: 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. [Well, what is "advise" other than "council"? -- and you were responding to Reaganaut saying If Romney were to be elected, just how much advice would be coming from SLC?]

You never pipe up when Billy Graham or even where Obama is getting his religious council from!

Does Billy Graham think he's a "god" or a "god-in-embryo" (what temple-worthy LDS call themselves)?

LDS make much of a supposed "council of gods" who instructed the Mormon god on what to do. So, if a Mormon POTUS takes advice, council, and instruction on what to do from his own "council of gods" based in SLC, would he ignore what they say?

Come on, Resty, if a "god" gives YOU advice, what are you supposed to do? Ignore it? If a POTUS believes such council comes from the mouth of God himself, he'll implement it!

And what do beings who believe they are gods as part of a grand council of gods do, Resty? (Why, this council counsels!)

Lurkers, perhaps you've never been told the true LDS beliefs thru a Mormon commercial, thru a Mormon missionary, or thru a Mormon friend -- that they believe they can become gods, and that a whole slew of gods-as-council/counselors exist!

First, Mormon "scripture":
“Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them (D&C 132:20) [BTW, this was Smith's SAME "revelation" where polygamy was openly embraced -- so what does that tell you about the source of all of this?]
…the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was…” (D&C 121:32)
The Gods plan the creation of the earth and all life thereon… (Pearl of Great Price: Abraham 4 heading)
"…And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth. (Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 4:1)

What does this "council of gods" have to do with men who run things on earth?

Listen to the words of the Twelth "prophet" of the LDS church, Spencer W. Kimball: “Brethren, 225,000 of you are here...I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000.” The Ensign (official magazine of the LDS church), p. 80, Nov. 1975)

That all seems to ring a bell -- even down to the last line: Isaiah 14:12-15:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Kimball: ...you may become gods. Isaiah to Lucifer: "...art thou fallen from heaven" Why? "I will be like the most High." Kimball: "I think he could ... have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000." Isaiah to Lucifer: "For thou hast said in thine heart...I will exalt my throne above the stars of God...I will ascend above the heights of the clouds...

So when Mormons speak of "exaltation" what are they referencing? “That exaltation which the saints of all ages have so devoutly sought is godhood itself.” -- LDS apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1991 version, p. 321

So appropo -- on a thread talking about Romney -- to quote Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion G. Romney -- who was one of the highest three LDS leaders in the 1960s:

“The truth is … man is a child of God— a God in embryo. Marion G. Romney, in Conference Report, April 1973, p. 136; or Ensign, July 1973, p. 14).

This isn't some vague obscure concept for the LDS elite of elite. This is mainstream LDS teaching widely available on its Web site: LDSTeachManIsAGod-in-Embryo

So my question is to ALL: Beyond the IMMORTAL man-God of Jesus Christ, why would you EVER want to vote for a mere mortal who thinks He is God?

[Colofornian]

If Romney were to be elected, just how much advice would be coming from SLC? That in itself is a scary thought considering their desire for a return to LDS theocracy.

Well, Reaganaut, Restornu thought that your comment was fear-mongering: The Church does not do that but who can stop some from creating fear!

But what have LDS leaders & authors themselves said? Here's just a small sample:

Here's what a journalist/spokesperson for the University of Utah said back in 1981:

“Mormons believe they have a divine commission to prepare the world for Christ's millennial reign in which they will serve as officers and administrators. The faithful Saint believes he is building the kingdom of God. This is what motivates the 30,000 full-time missionaries [note, this has doubled since 1981] to preach the gospel, and this is what keeps men in their eighties working at a pace that would pitch younger, less motivated men into their graves.” --University of Utah spokesperson Fred Esplin, “The Saints Go Marching On,” Utah Holiday, June 1981, p. 34.

LDS prophet Benson himself also said in 1988: “Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time 'this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction' ... [Then] the elders of Israel [I.e. LDS leaders], widely spread over the nation, will at that crucial time successfully rally the righteous of our country and provide the necessary balance of strength to save the institutions of constitutional government. Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, 1988, p. 619

LDS author Duane S. Crowther: “[T]here will be a complete change of government Washington, D.C. will cease to be the capital. The present national bureaucracy will have its end. The internal conflict will sweep away the current system of governments and will pave the way for the political kingdom of God and the millennial kingdom through which Jesus Christ will rule and reign...A new government will be established among the saints and that political kingdom of God will espouse and uphold the principles of constitutional government. Duane S. Crowther, Prophetic Warnings to Modern America, 1979, pp. 315-316

[greyfoxx39]

It still is pig talk and certain brand of so called Chistians love to bring that topic up and wallow in it!

What is "self-flatuation" resty?

From your post...." So many are under the impression by calling themselves flithy rags it is like self-flatulation which is a form of phony humility!"

I don't recall that term being biblical and it sounds like it's against RF rules to me!