Posted on 04/22/2009 12:10:00 PM PDT by Colofornian
It seems to me that trisham will only hear what he/she wants to hear about Mormonism. Our experiences count for nothing. Perhaps she should go here and see what other ex-mormons have to say about the nasty things they learned about Christians while they were within Mormonism
stuff it deary!:)
stuff it deary!:)
Stuff it; Deary! ;^)
Since Mitt Romney descended from the Pratt clan. (And since this thread originated talking about both Romney and Smith's vision that Presbyterianism was untrue)...when are we going to hear Mitt Romney distance himself from what the Pratts (Orson & Parley P.) said about people groups who Mitt may want to claim as his voters in the future?
Resty; the remainder of your post did not come through.
You'll have to re-type it.
And I also bear my testimony that those untypos typically testify to the truth!
And if you don't; then I will post some...
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THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY CHAPTER 14
An angel tells Nephi of the blessings and cursings to fall upon the Gentiles—There are only two churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil—The saints of God in all nations are persecuted by the great and abominable church—The apostle John shall write concerning the end of the world. Between 600 and 592 B.C.
1 And it shall come to pass, that if the Gentiles shall hearken unto the Lamb of God in that day that he shall manifest himself unto them in word, and also in power, in very deed, unto the taking away of their stumbling blocks— 2 And harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded. 3 And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that hell which hath no end. 4 For behold, this is according to the captivity of the devil, and also according to the justice of God, upon all those who will work wickedness and abomination before him. 5 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, Nephi, saying: Thou hast beheld that if the Gentiles repent it shall be well with them; and thou also knowest concerning the covenants of the Lord unto the house of Israel; and thou also hast heard that whoso repented not must perish. 6 Therefore, woe be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God. 7 For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken. 8 And it came to pass that when the angel had spoken these words, he said unto me: Rememberest thou the covenants of the Father unto the house of Israel? I said unto him, Yea. 9 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look, and behold that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil. 10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. 11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over ball the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people. 12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon ball the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw. 13 And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God. 14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory. 15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth. 16 And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things— 17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel. 18 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look! 19 And I looked and beheld a man, and he was dressed in a white robe. 20 And the angel said unto me: Behold one of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 21 Behold, he shall see and write the remainder of these things; yea, and also many things which have been. 22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world. 23 Wherefore, the things which he shall write are just and true; and behold they are written in the book which thou beheld proceeding out of the mouth of the Jew; and at the time they proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, or, at the time the book proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, the things which were written were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men. 24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see. 25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them. 26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel. 27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was john, according to the word of the angel. 28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw. 29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me. 30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.
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They knock at your ‘heart’s door’ with their false religion posts at FR. You, as a strong Catholic, may not be susceptible, but there are millions who are not so strong in faith and are seeking. When they are lured away from Christ by a cult, what do you think that does to God’s heart? ... I think I can anticipate your ‘turn it on its head’ answer. Can we know what is the mind of God through His offer of Grace in Christ? Leading someone seeking Him, away from His Truth via a false religion claiming to be even more ‘christian’ than orhtodox Christianity, well, that’s a tragedy and to be opposed by those He calls to the work.
If one believes in one’s religion, doesn’t it make sense to try to spread the word?
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Of course it makes sense. The difference is Christians do not go door to door to the houses of Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Calvary Chapel attendees, etc to tell them their Church is apostate!
The only reason the LDS do that is because they believe everyone outside the LDS church is wrong.
And before you say that we do tell the LDS they are wrong about their faith, let me say that the LDS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN. They may believe they are (and most LDS believe they are the ONLY Christians), but that does not make it so.
There is a homeless guy in town who REALLY believes he is Prince Charles, it doesn’t make it true.
Having the name of Christ on your Church building doesn’t make you Christian any more than painting “car repairs” on the side of your garage makes you a mechanic.
Matthew 15:18 describes the LDS perfectly:
“This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.”
Sadly that is often true. Only God can open their eyes, ears, and heart.
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Confronting the
New Mormon Threat
Why Catholics are easy targets
for Mormon evangelists—
and what we can do to keep Catholics Catholic.
Think the Mormons are just a group of nice folks who uphold family values, clean living, and American patriotism? Think ag ain.
Think the Mormons are just a slightly eccentric offshoot of traditional Protestant Christianity? Think again.
Think Mormons are actually Christian, accepting the core doctrines of Christianity? Think again!
The truth is that Mormonism is far different from what most people think it is.
If asked, most Catholics would not be able to explain what Mormons believe. Nor do they have a clue what is wrong with Mormonism.
Therein lies the danger—especially today, as Mormonism is enjoying a resurgence in popularity and interest, largely because of recent news coverage.
But the news media aren’t providing useful information about Mormonism.
This worries me—because, as I said, the majority of converts to Mormonism are ill-informed Catholics who are highly vulnerable to Mormon proselytizing.
That’s why Catholic Answers is trying to head off a potential disaster among Catholics.
And we’re going to need your help to make this new project successful.
Here’s what it’s all about …
What Mormons Really Believe
There are many problems with the Mormon religion. In fact, the problems are so numerous, we had to write a special report just to explain and refute them all.
It’s this powerful, eye-opening report that we need to get into the hands of as many Catholics as possible—as quickly as possible—before the Mormon juggernaut picks up more speed and takes in tens of thousands of our fellow Catholics.
This report was written by our director of apologetics, Jimmy Akin, who has done a masterful job of clearly explaining Mormon beliefs … making sense of them … and then charitably refuting them, one by one.
Let me give you a glimpse of what you’ll learn when you read this breakthrough report—and you’ll see why it’s “must reading” for every Catholic in America today …
• Do Mormons really believe they can become the “god” of their own planet?
• Why Mormons claim the Catholic Church is a “church of Satan”—teaching a false gospel.
• Why Mormons believe God the Father was once a human—and became the “god” of planet Earth.
• Do Mormons believe there is more than one “God”?
• How the Book of Mormon itself contradicts core Mormon beliefs and practices.
• What Mormons believe about the Eucharist—it’s not what Catholics believe.
• What goes on inside their mysterious, no-visitors-allowed temples.
• Does the Mormon church approve of divorce and abortion? (The answer will disappoint pro-lifers!)
• Who are the leaders of the Mormon church?
• Do Mormons believe black people are “cursed”?
• Is Mormon baptism valid? What Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, said.
• How Mormons try to convert Catholics to Mormonism—successfully.
• How did Joseph Smith translate the “golden plates”—and why did no one else ever get to see them?
• Mormon doctrines have changed—often.
• Did Joseph Smith develop his teaching on polygamy only after betraying his wife?
• Joseph Smith: the “martyr” who died in a gunfight, shooting at people.
• Mormons dropped some of their unpopular teachings in order to clean up their public image and appeal to more Americans.
• Joseph Smith’s background before he started the Mormon church—and how this affect his credibility
• The psychological and emotional elements that attract people to Mormonism.
All this—and much more—is covered in Jimmy Akin’s new special report. We will send it to you with our compliments when you help us with our project to distribute it nationwide.
You see, the new Mormon threat is more serious than ever before.
With all the talk in the media about Mormonism, more and more people are curious about Mormonism and are visiting Mormon web sites.
But these web sites are deceptive. They do not explain the true beliefs of Mormonism. They try to convince readers that Mormonism is a Christian faith—in fact, the true Christian faith!
As one Mormon web site put it, “Mormonism is the religion most consistent with biblical Christianity. We do not apologize for our beliefs. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only true Christian church on the face of the earth.”
The problem is … people fall for it—especially Catholics.
In fact, Mormons count Catholics as their main target.
Over half of the current converts to Mormonism are Catholics.
Mormons target Catholics who don’t know their faith.
Sadly, that’s the majority of our fellow Catholics. They’ve been nearly defenseless against Mormon propaganda.
It is not difficult to become perfect in avoiding a swearing habit, for if one locks his mouth against all words of cursing, he is en route to perfection in that matter.
Stuff it; Deary! ;^)
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LOL. FYI, that was a quote from Spencer W. Kimball, LDS prophet. Apparently, some LDS missed that speech.
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Why should your personal and unverifiable experience lead anyone to believe that all Mormons are like the ones that you have known? Extrapolating that all people of a group are the same as those you personally have come into contact with may be fine for you, but what meaning can it possibly have for me?
Since Mitt Romney descended from the Pratt clan. (And since this thread originated talking about both Romney and Smith’s vision that Presbyterianism was untrue)...when are we going to hear Mitt Romney distance himself from what the Pratts (Orson & Parley P.) said about people groups who Mitt may want to claim as his voters in the future?
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When Pigs fly.
I can always count on you for pre-emptive quotes. ;)
Aren’t you doing the same thing here?
I don’t think you understand. I don’t care what Mormons believe. I do care that they have the right to practice their religion, just as you and I do.
I guess you don’t care that they target members of your own faith. That is surprising to me.
The only reason the LDS do that is because they believe everyone outside the LDS church is wrong.
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So what? What do I care if they go door to door? Why should I care if they think their religion is right and mine is wrong?
If they didn't think their religion was right, why wouldn't they convert to mine?
Sometimes HE uses asses... (Numbers 22:28)
Sometimes HE uses Elsie (is that being redundant?)
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