Posted on 04/09/2009 10:09:51 AM PDT by ELS
...which is to be read as:
The Catholic Church so differs from Dutchboy88's own personal interpretation of Scripture that...
Your sentence makes no sense.
***Once again, Pete, you cannot follow the argument.***
Shame on you Pete. I think that for your penance two Pater Nosters and a couple of hours protesting at the local abortion mill might be appropriate.
...to be read as:
...otherwise everyone who agrees with Dutchboy88's own personal interpretation of Scripture would say...
Yeah, that’s what I meant.
I didn’t know that’s also what you meant, I was just pointing out how it should be read.
The realization is encouraging. You should pursue that.
Oh, that’s coherant enough, but you Vatican supporters cannot tolerate the truth. Re read it carefully, Mark, and you will get the drift that the believers not enslaved by Rome see these passages for what they are...evidence that the Priesthood is a figment of your imagination.
No, you were interpreting it as what I meant or you could not know how it should be read. Are we not committed to authorial intent, here?
Wait, that may explain why you guys take such liberties with the text. Of course...
I’m not “enslaved by Rome” (the capital city of Italy is in the slave trade?) yet I see the passages for what they are, Scriptural Truth in support of the Sacraments of the Church founded by Christ.
I read of your misinterpretations with amusement and pity.
Are we not committed to authorial intent, here?
I am not committed to your misinterpretation of authorial intent.
Some of it is actually true!
“On this Rock I build my Church..” - This was Peter speaking to Jesus. This was when he created the Catholic Church and made Peter the first Pope. What “he binds on Earth is bound in Heaven” - this means that the Pope can define what are sins and not sins (basically an unerring Supreme court).
With repect to celibacy - I have no idea what you are talking about - there are many married Roman Catholic priests in the US.
You’re going to find protestants claiming Christ spoke these words in Attic Greek, thus calling Peter a pebble.
Of course, there’s no explanation why Christ would be speaking Attic Greek, rather than Aramaic or Koine Greek (which have no pebble/rock distinction).
This is the linguistic pretense they have to foist onto Christ to sustain their deprecation of Christ’s Church.
The degree to which Protestants distort the Bible is so troubling. Do a google search for Kephra or Kephras in the bible - Peter was called Kephra, or rock, many times. But I guess Jesus really wanted to call him little pebble...sarc
Regardless, even in some fantasy land in which Jesus was nicknamed “little pebble”, he was given the power to bind on Earth, and in Heaven. This is the core or teh issue.
Of course, you mean Kepha or Kephas (no ‘r’).
The Church meat at homes when it was impossible to meet otherwise. Still even in those times, Paul was able to remark "have you not houses to eat and to drink in? Or despise ye the church of God" (1 Corinthians 11:22). Imposition of hands (modern ordination/consecration) is mentioned in the Holy Scripture several times, at least once with the connotation of exclusivity in 1 Timothy 5:22, as is episcopacy and priesthood.
However, my point was that priesthood is available for men who seek it, contrary to your claim in #8 about "intimating [priesthood] was not intended to be the general inheritence of all believers".
Whoops!
Then I suggest you run to your earthly leader and follow him to the end. The believers are going to cling to Christ alone.
Go read about Catholicism and celibacy and get back to us. I am not talking about all of the women used in the Pornocracy of the 1200s; I am speaking of the real prohibition of marriage that has given rise to all of the uncontrollable priests that we read about everywhere.
Christ is the leader of the Catholic Church. Benedict is merely His earthly Vicar.
If you follow Jesus, then follow his words when he ounded the church with Peter.
There are married Roman Catholic priests in the US. Celibate priests is a small t tradition, not a T.
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