Posted on 03/25/2009 12:30:09 PM PDT by OPREV
The Gospel was preached to all nations already, 1960 years ago.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
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Tit 2:11 For the saving grace of God was manifested to All men,
Rom 16:26 made known to All nations for the obedience of faith:
Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the Whole world.
1Ti 3:16...God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!
1Th 1:8 For from you hath sounded forth the word of the Lord, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but in Every place your faith to God-ward is gone forth; so that we need not to speak anything.
Act 19:10 And this continued for the space of two years; so that all they that dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord, both Jews and Greeks.
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Tit 2:11 For the saving grace of God was manifested to All men,
This is fulfilled prophecy :)
Jeff
Wow... just wow.
I have to ask — you aren’t an atheist intent on trying to trip people up and make them lose faith are you? The only reason I ask is that the line of “questioning” (which really isn’t questioning) is something I’ve seen MANY times from atheist trolls on other boards. Your last thread, and this one also have shown that some of your “explanations” in response to people’s arguments against your point of view have been rather self-righteous in tone...
Be careful because pride is often a sure sign that you haven’t got things as well-figured out as you think... God himself warns us about that. It’s something we ALL have to keep in mind.
I’m curious as to what your ultimate goal is here. Are you trying to say that we should just forget about the Second Coming, and that we should just forget about trying to tell people about the Gospel? Are you saying that we here on Earth have been FORSAKEN BY GOD? Are you saying that St. John in writing Revelation was completely LYING? Are you saying that JESUS MUST HAVE LIED - because according to you the things he spoke of as happening in the future have ALREADY HAPPENED???
Just what is your ULTIMATE goal in these conversations? Why not just come out and say what you’re trying to say instead of twisting things around so badly to try to PROVE your conclusion without admitting what it really is?
I really hope for your sake that no-one turns their back on God as a result of your efforts to prove your opinion here...
I have to ask — you aren’t an atheist intent on trying to trip people up and make them lose faith are you? The only reason I ask is that the line of “questioning” (which really isn’t questioning) is something I’ve seen MANY times from atheist trolls on other boards. Your last thread, and this one also have shown that some of your “explanations” in response to people’s arguments against your point of view have been rather self-righteous in tone... Be careful because pride is often a sure sign that you haven’t got things as well-figured out as you think... God himself warns us about that. It’s something we ALL have to keep in mind. I’m curious as to what your ultimate goal is here. Are you trying to say that we should just forget about the Second Coming, and that we should just forget about trying to tell people about the Gospel? Are you saying that we here on Earth have been FORSAKEN BY GOD? Are you saying that St. John in writing Revelation was completely LYING? Are you saying that JESUS MUST HAVE LIED - because according to you the things he spoke of as happening in the future have ALREADY HAPPENED??? Just what is your ULTIMATE goal in these conversations? Why not just come out and say what you’re trying to say instead of twisting things around so badly to try to PROVE your conclusion without admitting what it really is? I really hope for your sake that no-one turns their back on God as a result of your efforts to prove your opinion here...
I only posted scripture. If some people have a hard time believing it, what's that to me?
Is this true? Tit 2:11 For the saving grace of God was manifested to all men,
And is this true? - Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Should we pick and choose the truth we choose to believe? If we don't like some truth, then, it's OK to discard it? Seems some think that way. Lol. Again, I just posted scripture. It's either true, or, it's not. :) So what is it? :)
Jesus didn't lie. He came back, just like he told the disciples he would.
We haven't lost anything. We are the saints living in the millenium.
It is those who say that Jesus didn't come back who make him a liar, not the ones who say he did.
Mat 24:34 Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.
People change that verse to suit their needs because they don't understand everything. But, he did in fact come back. Now if we say he didn't, that's when we make him a liar. :)
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
He only tells us what we can handle. ;) :)
I was moreso inferring your motive in posting such a thread as indicated in your LAST thread. You seem to be engaging in a pattern of trolling.
And, you said you only posted scripture? That is not true. You are clever, yes that is true. However, you are the one who added their interpretation of the verses chosen and selected, and arranged them according to your motive, and DECLARED YOUR OPINION & INTERPRETATION in the first place.
That’s what I meant about being careful, even if you WERE being well-intentioned, that you may be leading people astray because of the WAY in which you present things...
I’ve listened to more than a few God-fearing/God-loving people who have helped me immensely in my understanding of our Lord, and scripture. But, when they did so they didn’t try to twist things to their liking, and they never really tried to make people CONVINCED they were right in order to let me see their point.
I also don’t get a good feeling from your attitude, and that tells me a lot really. I do listen to what God tells me within my spirit, and everything I’m feeling right now is telling me that you are not being honest, either with yourself, or us...
Oh, and one other thing...
I’m a little curious as to why after 2 years of not commenting here at FR that you have decided to come back to argue this particular concept?
Regardless, I think I’ll let others chime in with you on these things as I have more important things to do than be teased by a troll...
No troll here. The Christian forum I was on went down and another poster from there said she was posting on this site. So, I came over.
Here's what kind of troll I am - God Heals Epileptic :)
THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.
NOT IN 2000 YEARS.
It is set to happen within 12 or so years by best estimates.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
For the saving grace of God was manifested to all men... Titus 2:11
I agree with your interpretation of this.
The gospel could NOT have been preached to ALL people’s of the world — for gosh sakes HALF of the world was presumably NOT IN CONTACT with each other from BEFORE Christ was born (AT LEAST) till Leif Erickson - much less all the islands in the oceans...
To think otherwise requires a complete belief in things that the scientists/anthropologists/archaeologists who study on this subject, and BELIEVE they somehow WERE, would admit that SOMEDAY they could POSSIBLY — however remote they think the possiblity is — could be wrong.
The OP postulates that all the peoples of the Earth — ALL OF THEM were in communication in the 25 years mentioned in the OP. One cannot POSSIBLY PROVE THAT, and therefore to rely on THAT as the basis of one’s ENTIRE interpretation over such a doctrine as important to Christians as this is, IMHO, VERY DANGEROUS.
The Bible. Believe it or not.
Or, we can just make our own stuff up.
The Bible. Believe it or not.
Or, we could just make stuff up to fit our agendas :)
The truth is that the Bible is still is being preached to the world.
Well put.
It’s a deception from hell.
It’s designed by the spiritual foisters of such nonsense into the minds of (hopefully) more or less innocent humans
to create confusion about one of the most crucial periods in all of history and Creation . . . a period when a huge percentage of Biblical prophecies warn and encourage preparation for.
Clearly God thinks this era is crucial and wants us to understand HIS TRUTH about it.
That’s another reason satan wants the opposite.
YUP . . . the REPLACEMENTARIAN, A-MIL, POST-MIL PRETERIST DECEPTION
certainly was MADE-UP out of whole cloth in the courts of hell.
INDEED.
Thankfully, we have gotten a bit smarter in recent years. We are not so eager to provide printed texts to tribal groups without a printed language.
The wind-up MP3 players are a great advance and strategy.
Col 1:23 ... not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which was preached in All creation under heaven;
Some prefer to make their own up. :)
Liberty, I think you have this guy figured out. He may be sincere, but he is sincerely wrong, and he does have some company here at FR. His scriptures are cherry-picked to prove his point, and, as you say, carefully arranged. I also noticed that his last post, prior to these recent ones, was back in 2006.
I have noticed that people with his viewpoint, that we are living in the milennium, tend to be very dismissive and condescending of those of us who believe otherwise, and that, I don’t understand. Why be so divisive? Why intentionally start threads that are meant to create doubt in the hearts and minds of Christians believing in the blessed hope of Christ’s imminent return?
Jeff, why don’t you give a listen to David Jeremiah’s teaching series on the book of Daniel for an excellent, comprehensive view of the end times? He takes great pains to carefully lay out the prophecies of Daniel. I think you might find his teaching very interesting.
Col 1:23 ...and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in ALL creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister.
Tit 2:11 For the saving grace of God was manifested to ALL men,
Only the deluded would say that scripture is from hell.
Of course, some people didn't hear the gospel last century either. What about them? Do they get a magic pass and no judgement? Why do only all of the "last" generation have to hear the gospel? Because if they didn't, the same grace afforded to those who didn't hear it in times past wouldn't apply to them? That's excellent logic. 0_o (rolling eyes) 0_o
You’ve been exposed. It’s probably about time for you to move on... If you can’t even comprehend what Quix said in that sentence then you need help - and not the kind you can get online.
Is posting truth being divisive? I posted scripture. What did Jesus say? Mat 10:34-37. As for David Jeremiah, I have the Holy Spirit. I believe he is supposed to be the teacher. At least that's who I heal the sick and cast out demons through. Maybe people on FR's religion forum don't believe in those things either. Jesus obviously meant something else when he said believers would do those things. 0_o Lol. :D
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