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Most dispensationalists don't see two promises of salvation either. It has always been salvation by grace through faith alone.
Dispensationalists keep saying that.
So, it would appear that you are mistaken in what you think we believe.
Y'all keep saying that, too. Look, I was saved while attending a Christian Church (CoC). I went to a Christian (CoC) Bible College. While there, I was a youth minister at a Nazarene church. I was, in fact, dispie through and through, and pretty hardcore about it, too. In fact, I organized and sponsored a "Tribulation House" haunted house thing at one of the local churches. I'm more than fairly well versed in dispensational eschatology and, by extension, the dispensational theology (because it naturally develops a different theology than Reformed covenant theology).
Y'all keep saying you don't see two promises... and then...
...They [Israel] have specific promises exclusive to them - namely the land. Salvifically, they are saved no different than we are.
That's two promises. Covenant theology states that the land promise is the promise of salvation. Dispensation theology divides the promise of God into two promises, one for salvation and the other for the nation state of Israel.
It is an arrogant statement and not really funny. It is mean spirited and should be avoided.
Arrogant? No. Funny? No intent on being funny, so I'm glad it wasn't taken as such. Avoided? I don't make a habit of avoiding the truth. Take or leave it, "no creed but Christ" is a creed.
I am finding this conversation interesting as you seem to elevate the church above Scripture. I would have worded this statement differently. Does your church teach inerrancy?
Riiiiiggggghhhhhtttt.... because I was ambiguous when I said
However, they [confessions and creeds] are explanations of what we believe and sound theology, and affirmations of historic Christianity and unity between believers past, present, and future.
They are subservient to Scripture, and so they are a statement of Biblical Doctrine that help to ensure that we aren't out there making up our own doctrine, going all "post-modern" on the Word.
And, yes, my church teaches inerrancy of Scripture. Have you ever even read the London Baptist Confession? Sheesh.
Again, an almost Catholic-like devotion to the teaching of the church as opposed to Scripture. The cry of the reformers was Sola Scriptura, not Sola Ecclesia.
You seem unfamiliar with
Sola Scriptura. It is one of the five Solas of the reformation. The same Reformers that affirmed Sola Scriptura as a doctrine wrote and affirmed the confessions and used and affirmed the creeds. Ever read what Calvin
thought of CreedsWhen in the Creed we profess to believe the Church, reference is made not only to the visible Church of which we are now treating, but also to all the elect of God, including in the number even those who have departed this life.
To say "you must believe as this creed says" puts authority in a man made document.
Every baptism that I've seen at a Southern Baptist Church starts with this confession:
Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and do you accept Him now as your Lord and Savior?
Does that put authority in a man-made creed (it is a creed)? No, of course not. But to be baptized, one needs to at least affirm that much, yes?
I'll get to the rest later, gotta go.
410 posted on
03/30/2009 1:05:30 PM PDT by
raynearhood
("I consider looseness with words no less a defect than looseness of the bowels" - John Calvin)
To: raynearhood; Quix
Dispensationalists keep saying that.
And non-dispensationalists on Free Republic keep ignoring us.
Y'all keep saying that, too. Look, I was saved while attending a Christian Church (CoC). I went to a Christian (CoC) Bible College. While there, I was a youth minister at a Nazarene church. I was, in fact, dispie through and through, and pretty hardcore about it, too. In fact, I organized and sponsored a "Tribulation House" haunted house thing at one of the local churches. I'm more than fairly well versed in dispensational eschatology and, by extension, the dispensational theology (because it naturally develops a different theology than Reformed covenant theology).
Apparently not well versed enough. There are a few, like Hagee, that would lay out two ways of salvation. They are in the minority. Such is not a teaching of dispensationalism but a perversion of it.
Y'all keep saying you don't see two promises... and then...
I didn't say I don't see two promises. Regarding salvation, no, there aren't two promises. But salvation is not where God's blessings stop. Read your Bible. Israel has some promises that are hers that she will yet see.
That's two promises. Covenant theology states that the land promise is the promise of salvation. Dispensation theology divides the promise of God into two promises, one for salvation and the other for the nation state of Israel.
The land promise is the promise of salvation? Huh? That's a new one on me. Talk about eisegesis!!!!! That's not even eisegesis, that's making up stuff and pretending it is Scripture.
Arrogant? No. Funny? No intent on being funny, so I'm glad it wasn't taken as such. Avoided? I don't make a habit of avoiding the truth. Take or leave it, "no creed but Christ" is a creed.
Whatever you say. You are making fun of folks that Christ died for. Not funny and rather arrogant.
And, yes, my church teaches inerrancy of Scripture. Have you ever even read the London Baptist Confession? Sheesh.
Truthfully, not the whole thing. I have read certain parts of it, mainly regarding the doctrines of grace.
You seem unfamiliar with Sola Scriptura.
I am not. The reformers pointed to Scripture far more than a creed. On these threads, certain individuals do the opposite. Again, there is nothing bad about creeds per se - in their place (i.e., not treated as inspired Scripture). It is the elevation of Creeds or Confessions or Statements of faith to the level of Scripture that the issue arises. Of course, this statement which I have made several times is still being ignorred. Your group wants to argue against something I didn't state "i.e., creeds are BADDDDD". You also seem to want to define creed as "personal belief". Creeds have a much more complicated history than that as I'm sure you are aware. Not all creeds were good ones (defined as scriptural versus non-Scriptural), as I am sure you are also aware.
415 posted on
03/30/2009 6:58:39 PM PDT by
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