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To: raynearhood; Quix
Dispensationalists keep saying that.
And non-dispensationalists on Free Republic keep ignoring us.

Y'all keep saying that, too. Look, I was saved while attending a Christian Church (CoC). I went to a Christian (CoC) Bible College. While there, I was a youth minister at a Nazarene church. I was, in fact, dispie through and through, and pretty hardcore about it, too. In fact, I organized and sponsored a "Tribulation House" haunted house thing at one of the local churches. I'm more than fairly well versed in dispensational eschatology and, by extension, the dispensational theology (because it naturally develops a different theology than Reformed covenant theology).
Apparently not well versed enough. There are a few, like Hagee, that would lay out two ways of salvation. They are in the minority. Such is not a teaching of dispensationalism but a perversion of it.

Y'all keep saying you don't see two promises... and then...
I didn't say I don't see two promises. Regarding salvation, no, there aren't two promises. But salvation is not where God's blessings stop. Read your Bible. Israel has some promises that are hers that she will yet see.

That's two promises. Covenant theology states that the land promise is the promise of salvation. Dispensation theology divides the promise of God into two promises, one for salvation and the other for the nation state of Israel.
The land promise is the promise of salvation? Huh? That's a new one on me. Talk about eisegesis!!!!! That's not even eisegesis, that's making up stuff and pretending it is Scripture.

Arrogant? No. Funny? No intent on being funny, so I'm glad it wasn't taken as such. Avoided? I don't make a habit of avoiding the truth. Take or leave it, "no creed but Christ" is a creed.
Whatever you say. You are making fun of folks that Christ died for. Not funny and rather arrogant.

And, yes, my church teaches inerrancy of Scripture. Have you ever even read the London Baptist Confession? Sheesh.
Truthfully, not the whole thing. I have read certain parts of it, mainly regarding the doctrines of grace.
You seem unfamiliar with Sola Scriptura.
I am not. The reformers pointed to Scripture far more than a creed. On these threads, certain individuals do the opposite. Again, there is nothing bad about creeds per se - in their place (i.e., not treated as inspired Scripture). It is the elevation of Creeds or Confessions or Statements of faith to the level of Scripture that the issue arises. Of course, this statement which I have made several times is still being ignorred. Your group wants to argue against something I didn't state "i.e., creeds are BADDDDD". You also seem to want to define creed as "personal belief". Creeds have a much more complicated history than that as I'm sure you are aware. Not all creeds were good ones (defined as scriptural versus non-Scriptural), as I am sure you are also aware.
415 posted on 03/30/2009 6:58:39 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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416 posted on 03/30/2009 7:01:48 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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I didn't say I don't see two promises. Regarding salvation, no, there aren't two promises. But salvation is not where God's blessings stop. Read your Bible. Israel has some promises that are hers that she will yet see...

Nope.

The land promise is the promise of salvation? Huh? That's a new one on me. Talk about eisegesis!!!!! That's not even eisegesis, that's making up stuff and pretending it is Scripture.

Nope, again. Here's why, on both counts:
Hebrews 11:8-16, 32-40
By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise; for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God. By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised.

Therefore there was born even of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN NUMBER, AND INNUMERABLE AS THE SAND WHICH IS BY THE SEASHORE. All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them...

...And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets, who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.

Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment.

They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated (men of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground.

And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.
I don't have a personal interpretation. I don't just make it up as I go. If the forefathers of the faith lived as aliens in the promised land because they were looking forward a city with foundations made by God (Rev. 21:14-27), that is, a better country, a heavenly city... then why aren't all Christians looking back at the land promises as having been perfected, because God has provided something better than land that can't be attained apart from us (we, the saved by Christ)?

This, friend, isn't eschatology, this is theology.

The debate has been interesting but I will take my leave of it.

As will I, at least with you on this thread. It has been interesting. I leave you the final response if you would like to take it. Good night.
420 posted on 03/30/2009 8:14:32 PM PDT by raynearhood ("I consider looseness with words no less a defect than looseness of the bowels" - John Calvin)
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