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To: topcat54; Blogger; Ping-Pong; raynearhood; Lee N. Field
“What does “those who sleep in Jesus” mean in 1 Thess. 4:14?”

Within the context of the letter to a church that was concerned about the church's dead, Paul was explaining that they are with Christ and would come with Him when He comes for His church.

“Daniel 12:1-3

Just so I’m not missing anything, is there anything in Daniel 12 to suggest a separation in time between “the rapture” and the Second Coming?”

Why don't you just explain the passage according to your system and not worry what about what I am thinking? I have posted my interpretation according to my understanding of the text and you think the interpretation is wrong but you haven't given yours, only your opinion on mine.

Daniel 12:1-3,”.....and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.”

Who are “thy people” Gabriel is referring to? When does this resurrection take place and “thy people” shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever”?

251 posted on 03/25/2009 2:15:39 PM PDT by enat
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To: enat; Blogger; Ping-Pong; raynearhood; Lee N. Field
Within the context of the letter to a church that was concerned about the church's dead, Paul was explaining that they are with Christ and would come with Him when He comes for His church.

So, would you argue that Abraham, et al are not asleep in Christ? Where are Abraham, et al right now wrt Jesus Christ being seated at the right hand of the Father? Are they in Christ’s presence, or not? Do their souls get Left Behind® in heaven when Jesus comes for the Church at the futurist “rapture”?

Why don't you just explain the passage according to your system and not worry what about what I am thinking?

1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever.

I do not need a system to see that straight forward intent of the passage. The remnant of Israel will be preserved through a tribulation that is to come (v. 1). It also indicates that there will be (but one) future resurrection of the dead, the righteous to “everlasting life” and the unrighteous to “everlasting contempt” (v. 2, cf. Acts 24:15). The exact timing of this tribulation period wrt the resurrection is undeterminable from this text or its context. Michael stands as one who represents and protects God’s people.

Now, to my question. What relevance does this have to the The System® and the alleged separation in time between “the rapture” and the Second Coming?

269 posted on 03/26/2009 7:33:54 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: enat
Why don't you just explain the passage according to your system and not worry what about what I am thinking? I have posted my interpretation according to my understanding of the text and you think the interpretation is wrong but you haven't given yours, only your opinion on mine.
Daniel 12:1-3,”.....and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.”
Who are “thy people” Gabriel is referring to? When does this resurrection take place and “thy people” shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever”?

As I understand (but do not believe) it, Preterism generally claims this all happened in 70AD. Allusions in what purports to be Josephus' work is cited as evidence (in the clouds, etc.).

393 posted on 03/29/2009 6:28:57 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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