Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: enat; Blogger; Ping-Pong; raynearhood; Lee N. Field
No, they are quickened at the second coming after the tribulation period, Daniel 12:1-2,

So, Abraham was not a FOJ (Friend of Jesus) even thought Jesus Himself declared, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad"? Abraham will not be among those who have fallen asleep in Christ even thought Paul says he is the spiritual father of God’s elect, the Church (Gal. 3:28,29)?

And here I thought hyper-dispensationalism was all but dead.

They are the friend of the Bridegroom, John 3:29, the virgins of Matt. 25, and those who are invited to the marriage reception Rev. 19:9.

That’s a pure raw assertion without any biblical support. You or your teachers made it up from whole clothe.

Who are the people referred to as “thy people” in these Daniel passages?

In context, each verse seems to have a slightly different meaning. Some of them indicate all of the nation of Israel (9:15). Some of them indicate faithless Israel (9:15). Some the remnant, “children of thy people” (12:1). Your point being?

Of course I see your point (which makes no sense), since you slice and dice the Bible and make “the rapture” distinct from the Second Coming, you need two physical resurrections of the people of God. A churchy one and a Jewish one. The Bible knows of no such construct. You are simply imposing it upon selective texts.

It’s all just another example of The Sytem® making mincemeat of the Bible.

245 posted on 03/25/2009 12:05:18 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 244 | View Replies ]


To: enat; Blogger; Ping-Pong; raynearhood; Lee N. Field

Typo: Sorry, that should be “Some of them indicate faithless Israel (9:16).”


246 posted on 03/25/2009 12:06:46 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 245 | View Replies ]

To: enat; Blogger; Ping-Pong; raynearhood; Lee N. Field
No, they are quickened at the second coming after the tribulation period, Daniel 12:1-2,

I asked about 1 Thess. 4:13ff. Just to be clear so no one accuses me of being a closet dispensationalist, 1 Thess. 4:13ff is the Second Coming.

I am quite confident that Adam and Abraham and Moses and David will be there along with Peter and Paul and Stephen and Luke and the rest of the saints when we all meet the Lord in the air. Abraham is asleep in Christ no less than the apostle Paul, since salvation is by His blood alone.

The absurdity of dividing the saints along racial lines at the Second Coming is obvious.

247 posted on 03/25/2009 1:09:42 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 245 | View Replies ]

To: topcat54; Blogger; Ping-Pong; raynearhood; Lee N. Field
“So, Abraham was not a FOJ (Friend of Jesus) even thought Jesus Himself declared, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad”?”

Ah, you don't like the answer so you want to change the question. Let me remind you what you asked,

“Will Adam and Abraham and Moses and David be numbered among “those who sleep in Jesus” and are quickened at Christ’s appearing ala 1 Thess. 4:13ff?”

Nothing there about being a friend of Jesus.

But what about Daniel's prophecy concerning the resurrection of Daniel's “thy people”,

Daniel 12:1-3,”.....and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.”

Who are “thy people” Gabriel is referring to? When does this resurrection take place and “thy people” shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever”?

“you need two physical resurrections of the people of God. A churchy one and a Jewish one. The Bible knows of no such construct. You are simply imposing it upon selective texts.”

Perhaps you will explain this Daniel text out of the optimistic post-mil system.

“the virgins of Matt. 25, and those who are invited to the marriage reception Rev. 19:9.

That’s a pure raw assertion without any biblical support. You or your teachers made it up from whole clothe.”

Where are unbelievers ever called “virgins” in relation to Christ? For that matter, when is a bride ever invited to her own marriage feast?

248 posted on 03/25/2009 1:36:30 PM PDT by enat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 245 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson