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Old Calvinism is Now the New Calvinism
American Vision ^ | March 23, 2009 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 03/23/2009 11:32:12 AM PDT by topcat54

Calvinism is back,” so says David Van Biema in the March 22, 2009 issue of Time magazine. Calvinism is listed as one of “10 ideas changing the world Right now.” It’s third on the list. When most people hear the word “Calvinism,” they bite down only on the gristle of predestination and then spit out the whole piece of meat. There is much more to Calvinism that is obscured by the misapplied aversion to particular redemption. As a student at Reformed Theological Seminary in the 1970s, I was taught that certain cultural applications flowed from a consistent application of Calvinism. Calvinism is synonymous with a comprehensive biblical world-and-life view. Simply put, I was told that the Bible applies to every area of life. To be a Calvinist is to make biblical application to issues beyond personal salvation (Heb. 5:11–14).

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"Ministers must preach the law of God in clear tones from the pulpit. Where fundamentalism and modernism have failed, Calvinism must not fail. With the devaluing of God’s law among fundamentalists, evangelicals, and some in the Reformed camp we can expect a reevaluation of a supposed worthy substitute. “There has been a tendency among evangelicals to give too much credit to the redeemed conscience, as though the conscience itself contained the standard of righteousness. It has been forgotten that the conscience needs to be guided by the inflexible standard of God’s law. . . . Failure to preach the law of God has left the Christian without a clear sense of direction in his Christian life. For many this has permitted a too easy conscience with respect to the need of Christianizing his life and influence.”

"If the New Calvinism is going to have any staying power, it will have to abandon its pietistic streak, its amillennial eschatology and in some cases its dispensationalism (e.g., John MacArthur), its aversion to the law of God, and its common-ground apologetic methodology."

1 posted on 03/23/2009 11:32:13 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; Quix

The only “ism” I care about is biblicism. Beyond that, any of man’s constructs is dung.

If I find it in Scripture, I believe it.


2 posted on 03/23/2009 11:41:23 AM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: topcat54

bump for later reading. Thanks topcat54!


3 posted on 03/23/2009 11:43:47 AM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: topcat54
As a confessional Lutheran, I have serious and profound differences with Calvinism; especially the failure to distinguish the two kingdoms and a desire for a theocracy. On the other hand, I appreciate someone in the Reformed tradition today that actually cares about what Calvin wrote. At least there is some basis for disagreement and discussion. My experience with the Reformed churches today is that classical Calvinism is dead. Its more like a blend of Baptist and Pentecostals. At this point, just about anything would be an improvement.
4 posted on 03/23/2009 11:47:29 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Blogger

INDEED.


5 posted on 03/23/2009 11:51:11 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Blogger

Amen!


6 posted on 03/23/2009 11:56:37 AM PDT by Sister_T (The Obama Administration = EPIC FAIL!)
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To: Nosterrex

I agree. My brother is now a Presbyterian and he has little knowledge if any of Calvin or his teachings.


7 posted on 03/23/2009 11:56:51 AM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Blogger

I feel the same way. Any theology that has a man’s name attached to it must be considered suspect right from the gate. No single man can possibly have a handle on the whole counsel of God. Plus, I’ve noticed a kind of arrogance on the part of Calvinists, who seem to believe that the TULIP acrostic explains it all, and if you don’t ascribe to that, then the whiff of brimestone is about you.


9 posted on 03/23/2009 12:03:33 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, he believes government is the solution, rather than the problem)
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To: Nosterrex

I’m a Lutheran but I live in a small town with no Lutheran Church. I attend a Presbyterian Church. Once every three years or so the pastor gives a sermon affirming Calvinism. The rest of the time the people of the congregation live as if they’re mainstream evangelicals. I like it that way because they are warm and loving. My personal experiences with hard line Calvinists have been uniformly negative. I can only speak from what I have seen and experienced myself, but from that perspective the Calvinists I have met and interacted with have come across as cold, aggressive people. [Watch me get attacked just for relating a little piece of personal history.] Fwiw.


10 posted on 03/23/2009 12:04:48 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Nosterrex

I think you are confusing Calvinism with a comparison between Covanent and Dispensational theology.

Basically, Calvinism is compared to Arminianism.


11 posted on 03/23/2009 12:08:20 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: Blogger; Quix
The only “ism” I care about is biblicism. Beyond that, any of man’s constructs is dung.

Biblicism

The term "biblicism" is usually derogatory. It is commonly applied to (1) someone who has no appreciation for the importance of extrabiblical truth in theology, who denies the value of general or natural revelation, (2) those suspected of believing that Scripture is a "textbook" of science, or philosophy, politics, ethics, economics, aesthetics, church government, etc., (3) those who have no respect for confessions, creeds, and past theologians, who insist on ignoring these and going back to the Bible to build up their doctrinal formulations from scratch, (4) those who employ a "proof texting" method, rather than trying to see Scripture texts in their historical, cultural, logical, and literary contexts. (Poythress)

Which one best describes your view?
12 posted on 03/23/2009 12:09:10 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: topcat54

The one that topcat has not been given the right to define.


13 posted on 03/23/2009 12:15:15 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: Blogger

What exactly do youmean by your response?


14 posted on 03/23/2009 12:17:41 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: fatboy

What I mean is that I said what I mean. Topcat is a known antagonist, and I will not give him/her the right to define what I mean. Read my initial response. It says what I mean by the term biblicism.


15 posted on 03/23/2009 12:18:52 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: kalee

I agree with the author. Calvin is essential reading for Charismatics, Evangelicals, Apostolics and Baptists. Dismissing him out of hand merely demonstrates that he has not been studied. His Biblicism is central to a conservative theology. Calvin stands opposite Schleiermacher who is the most influential theologian in the liberal Christian establishment.


16 posted on 03/23/2009 12:19:19 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (0 is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Blogger

I see blogger, thanks


17 posted on 03/23/2009 12:20:56 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: Elsie

Well. What an interesting development this is. Are you an old Calvinist or a new Calvinist?


18 posted on 03/23/2009 12:21:44 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the Peacemaker.)
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To: Nosterrex
As a confessional Lutheran, I have serious and profound differences with Calvinism; especially the failure to distinguish the two kingdoms and a desire for a theocracy.

There is a spectrum within the Reformed camp. We have amil-style crypto-Lutherans in the Reformed churches, making much ado about two kingdoms and pluralism. We also have rock-ribbed, postmil, Puritan-style Calvinists, who are not opposed to applying the abiding principles of the Mosaic Law to all areas of modern life, including family and government. It seems everyone manages to quote Calvin to their advantage while making their case.

On the other hand, I appreciate someone in the Reformed tradition today that actually cares about what Calvin wrote. At least there is some basis for disagreement and discussion. My experience with the Reformed churches today is that classical Calvinism is dead. Its more like a blend of Baptist and Pentecostals. At this point, just about anything would be an improvement.

Some of us try to do more than just talk about it. If it is not a life-affecting worldview, then it is not genuine Calvinism.

“[Calvinism] is not merely the hope of true religion in the world: it is true religion in the world — as far as true religion is in the world at all.” — B.B. Warfield

19 posted on 03/23/2009 12:27:39 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Naysayers" laughing at a futurist is not scoffing at God.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
Discussion on the applicability of Calvinism relative to Catholicism
Makes an interesting read.
The TULIP acronym for the most part is consistant with Catholicism and Thomism
with certain modifications to Perseverance of the Saints

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2212219/posts

20 posted on 03/23/2009 12:27:46 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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