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To: reaganaut

What do you mean by “free thinkers” those say like want to be called Catholic but disagree over “gay right to marry” and those who believe in “pro choice” but still want to be thought of as Catholics?

A true Catholic made covenants just the true LDS Makes covenants.

Those who strive to honor their covenants are true to the faith or Lord.

When one always keep and use prayer and the scriptures as their benchmark can be all the free thinker they want.

Those who try to get the Lord’s ways to conform with the worlds ways are really not of the Lord!

Eph. 4: 5
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

John 17: 21 (21-23).
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

1 Cor. 1: 10.
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

D&C 38
27 Behold, this I have given unto you as a parable, and it is even as I am. I say unto you, be one; and if ye are not one ye are not mine


285 posted on 03/25/2009 10:18:25 AM PDT by restornu (Come What May and Loving It!)
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To: reaganaut
Those who strive to honor their covenants are true to the faith or of the Lord Jesus Christ.
286 posted on 03/25/2009 10:21:45 AM PDT by restornu (Come What May and Loving It!)
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To: restornu
What do you mean by “free thinkers” those say like want to be called Catholic but disagree over “gay right to marry” and those who believe in “pro choice” but still want to be thought of as Catholics?
 
Like THESE guys??

TRUTH IGNORED
 
 

Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimball, Woodruff ...

 
 
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.




 
BEHOLD!!!!  The Restorative Power  of the Book of Mormon!!
 



 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 
 

302 posted on 03/25/2009 1:06:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

“free thinker” someone who thinks or speaks outside the party line of the LDS. Sunstone symposium caught a lot of flack back in the day because the admitted to doctrines that many modern LDS deny.

The “september six” - 5 excommunications and one disfellowship because they wrote things that the Church had problems with:

Lynne Kanavel Whitesides - Lynne Kanavel Whitesides is a feminist noted for speaking on the Mother in Heaven.

Avraham Gileadi - Hebrew scholar. He has been re-baptized, though.

Paul Toscano - Co - author of “Strangers in Paradox: Explorations in Mormon Theology”. Ex’d for “false teaching”

According to Toscano, the actual reason was insubordination in refusing to curb his sharp criticism of LDS Church leaders’ preference for legalism, ecclesiastical tyranny, white-washed Mormon history, and hierarchical authoritarianism that privilege the image of the corporate LDS Church above its commitment to its members, to the teachings and revelations of Joseph Smith its founding Prophet, and to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

His wife Margaret was also excommunicated for her doctrinal and feminist.

Maxine Hanks - another feminist

Lavina Fielding Anderson - Former editor of the Ensign yet excommunicated for being a “feminist”

D. Michael Quinn - Mormon historian, and perhaps his excommunication is the most justified since he came out of the closet as a gay man. But he is nevertheless a solid historian who wrote things (like about polygamy) that the LDS church did not like.

The LDS church reserves the right to excommunicate whomever they wish, but calling intellectuals “apostates” encourages the propagation of “faith promoting history” only. The LDS does not approve of any form of criticism and dialogue.

The anti-intellectual attitude of the LDS can best be seen by the admonition to not “think yourself out of the church.”

And FWIW, most Catholics who profess “gay marriage” and “pro-abortion” are “Catholic in name only” and not observant. Kinda like “Jack Mormons”. There are also Protestants who fit this category.


310 posted on 03/25/2009 1:42:57 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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