HOW SOME ANTI-MORMONS MIS USE THE TRUTH. (OPEN)

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[Godzilla]

Well, your response appears to live up to your username.

Oh really, and how would that be. Please feel free to accurately cite

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2212763/posts?page=279#279

to show the world how this is accomplished.

[Old Mountain man]

So sorry. Not in mood to play your game.

[Godzilla]

So sorry. Not in mood to play your game.

Awwww

[Old Mountain man]

What do you call a big, fat, blowhard lizard?

[restornu]

What do you mean by “free thinkers” those say like want to be called Catholic but disagree over “gay right to marry” and those who believe in “pro choice” but still want to be thought of as Catholics?

A true Catholic made covenants just the true LDS Makes covenants.

Those who strive to honor their covenants are true to the faith or Lord.

When one always keep and use prayer and the scriptures as their benchmark can be all the free thinker they want.

Those who try to get the Lord’s ways to conform with the worlds ways are really not of the Lord!

Eph. 4: 5
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

John 17: 21 (21-23).
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

1 Cor. 1: 10.
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

D&C 38
27 Behold, this I have given unto you as a parable, and it is even as I am. I say unto you, be one; and if ye are not one ye are not mine

[restornu]

Those who strive to honor their covenants are true to the faith or of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Godzilla]

What do you call a big, fat, blowhard lizard?

Gee OMM, thats a tough one. But I'm sure that you probably have an answer somewhere that is in accordance with the posted prohibitions against personal attacks and being a good mormon you accept the mod's rules here -

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

[Alamo-Girl]

I just noticed that your reply 136 addressed to “all” was posted in reply to my post 135; I apologize for this late response.

You raised two more of the Scriptural tests for False Prophets, the Berean test and also the good tree/bad tree fruit test of Matthew 7:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:15-20

Your next remark – which I presume to be your example of fruit was this:

The opposition MO is to divide and conqueror.

The Scriptures however are very clear about the fruits of the Spirit:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23

A more appropriate example would be that someone who is apparently anxious (upset, unsettled, worried, uncertain) is not led by the Holy Spirit. His priorities are not straight, we should ignore him when he gives spiritual advice.

And from anyone who claims to be a prophet, we should see all of the fruits of the Spirit. If he claims to be speaking for God but what we see in looking at his life or words is hatefulness, dissatisfaction or sadness, anxiety, meanness, pride, roughness, impulsiveness, etc. - he is to be ignored.

Immediately following the good tree/bad tree test, is Christ's warning that good intentions, good works and claims of authority will not do:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. – Matthew 7:21-23

Or to put it another way, the preceding fruits of the good/bad tree test of Matthew 7 are spiritual - they are not about methods, intentions, claims or works but rather Who Christ IS and who we are in Him.

To know Christ we must abide in Him and He in us. Without Him we can "do" nothing (emphasis mine:)

I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. – John 15:5

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:1-9

Meditate on this: God’s Name is I AM.

The answer to every question should begin and end with His Name.

To God be the glory!

[Old Mountain man]

Fortunately, there is nothing about being subject to a big, fat, blowhard lizard.

8-)

[reaganaut]

That was great, although I would like to suggest changes to #6:
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

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We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, seventies, teachers, stake presidents, patriarchs, ward clerks, and so forth.

[reaganaut]

“Beware of those who would set up the dead prophets against the living prophets, for the living prophets always take precedence.”

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So, if Monson takes precedence over JS, then do those who die, need Monson’s approval to get into the CK, rather than JS’s?

[reaganaut]

no duality, I just learn quickly. :)

[Godzilla]

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, seventies, teachers, stake presidents, patriarchs, ward clerks, and so forth.

And 12 yr old elders.

[Godzilla]

So, if Monson takes precedence over JS, then do those who die, need Monson’s approval to get into the CK, rather than JS’s?

Well, if that is the case, they are all dead prophets, so they'll just have to duke it out to figure out who takes presidence - the one with old, outdated revelations, or the new kid with the latest and greatest revelations.

[reaganaut]

Those who strive to honor their covenants are true to the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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I agree. And I honor my covenants made to God. I honor His sacrifice on my behalf, and rejoice that the shedding of His blood on Calvary freed me from the power and punishment of my sins.

I live my life for Him and Him alone, not a corrupt organization pretending to be the “true church” of Jesus Christ.

[restornu]

The answer to every question should begin and end with His Name.

To God be the glory!

The only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father the Lord Jesus Christ also received His Glory from the Heavenly Father by doing the will of His Father.

The Glory goes to the Father than to the Son.

John 14

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

This is just and excerpt

and I know that many believe that the Father and the Son are the same being. Yet as I read these scriptures I see the Father and the Son.

Jesus makes a point in verse 28 Jesus tells us that His Father is greater than he is.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Also Jesus tells us in John 12

42 ¶ Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

44 ¶ Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak

John 17

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

So many scriptures testify that the Father and the Son are two personages and one in mind.

With all of the Love of Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ and that by the power of the Holy Ghost may witness unto you!

In Jesus Christ name, amen.

[restornu]

If you want to talk scripture or doctrine fine if you insist on trashing the Lord Jesus Christ anointed servants we have nothing more to say!

[reaganaut]

I would never trash the servants of the Lord, but the truth of the matter is, no matter how much you WANT them to be, LDS leaders are not “the Lord’s anointed.”

[Elsie]

As a true protestant, you must accept Benny Hinn as a true minister of God!

As a true MORMON, you must accept ALL the 'prophets' and 'leaders'; or ELSE!

[Elsie]

 

I want your church to denounce attacks on other churches as evil and throw the attackers out.

 

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,

“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”