But by your own logic, since Adam and Eves fall was a fall up, then you must agree that Judas was a true believer because without his actions, the atonement would never have happened.Do you mean "foul up"?
No. I meant “fall up” :
Mormonism maintains that Adam’s sin was necessary for the propagation of the human race:
* “Adam fell that men might be; and men are that they might have joy” (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 2:25).
* “And in that day Adam blessed God...saying...for because of my transgression my eyes are opened and in this life I shall have joy” (Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses 5:10-11).
* Adam’s sin was “a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all mankind” (Gospel Principles, p.31).
* Joseph Fielding Smith stated: “The fall of Adam came as a blessing in disguise...nor do I accuse Adam of a sin...it is not always a sin to transgress a law...we can hardly look upon anything resulting in such benefits as being a sin” (Doctrines of Salvation 1:114-115).
* “Adam fell, but he fell in the right direction. He fell toward the goal...Adam fell, but he fell upward” (Deseret News, p.7, July 31, 1965)
* John A. Widtsoe stated: “Adam’s fall in the Garden of Eden “became a necessary and honorable act in carrying out the plan of the Almighty” (Joseph Smith-—Seeker After Truth, p.160).
How come I never receive REVELATIONS like this?
--MormonDude(My TR is VALID!)
Stormy,
you wrote... “Had Judas chosen not to betray Jesus, the crucifiction would have happened a day or so later.”
Can I see a Bible verse that supports that claim please?
Thanks,
ampu