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But by your own logic, since Adam and Eve’s fall was a “fall up”, then you must agree that Judas was a true believer because without his actions, the atonement would never have happened.
Do you mean "foul up"?

Your logic dictates that God only had one way of getting Adam and Eve into mortality. That was the fall. That's a very short sighted way of thinking. I can assure you if Eve hadn't have given into temptation, everything would have proceeded just as planned.

Judas had nothing to do with the atonement. It was Christ that atoned for our sins, not Judas.

Just in the off chance you're not claiming Judas is part of the God head, Jesus wasn't hiding from the Romans. They could have just as easily asked any of the Pharisees who He was and they would have gladly pointed Jesus out to them.

Jesus, however knew that Judas would be the one that would identify Him to the Romans. Had Judas chosen not to betray Jesus, the crucifiction would have happened a day or so later.

No. I meant “fall up” :

Mormonism maintains that Adam’s sin was necessary for the propagation of the human race:

* “Adam fell that men might be; and men are that they might have joy” (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 2:25).
* “And in that day Adam blessed God...saying...for because of my transgression my eyes are opened and in this life I shall have joy” (Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses 5:10-11).

* Adam’s sin was “a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all mankind” (Gospel Principles, p.31).
* Joseph Fielding Smith stated: “The fall of Adam came as a blessing in disguise...nor do I accuse Adam of a sin...it is not always a sin to transgress a law...we can hardly look upon anything resulting in such benefits as being a sin” (Doctrines of Salvation 1:114-115).
* “Adam fell, but he fell in the right direction. He fell toward the goal...Adam fell, but he fell upward” (Deseret News, p.7, July 31, 1965)
* John A. Widtsoe stated: “Adam’s fall in the Garden of Eden “became a necessary and honorable act in carrying out the plan of the Almighty” (Joseph Smith-—Seeker After Truth, p.160).

Had Judas chosen not to betray Jesus, the crucifiction would have happened a day or so later.

How come I never receive REVELATIONS like this?

--MormonDude(My TR is VALID!)

Stormy,
you wrote... “Had Judas chosen not to betray Jesus, the crucifiction would have happened a day or so later.”

Can I see a Bible verse that supports that claim please?

Thanks,
ampu