Posted on 03/21/2009 8:22:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
ROFLMAO. I WISH I had thought of that.
(Personally, I think an Empty Tomb would be a more apt symbol of my faith...but cumbersome as jewelry.)
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greyfoxx did a prity good job of telling you why we do not use the cross as a reminder of Christ.
“”reluctant to display the cross because they view the “good news” of the gospel as Christ's resurrection more than his crucifixion””
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Many of us see the cross as celebrating the pain that Jesus suffered instead of celebrating the Atonement He achieved.
We remember His pain, but we look toward the good He did by being willing to suffer it for us.
Probably have less murderers per capita throughout history than the general population. I do consider the Mountain Meadows perpetrators murderers, as I consider the Haun’s mill perps murderers and the Carthage lynch mob murderers.
I guess that makes me unique here since some of you folks seem to regard only the Mountain Meadows incident murder.
Many of us see the cross as celebrating the pain that Jesus suffered instead of celebrating the Atonement He achieved.
Probably have less murderers per capita throughout history than the general population. I do consider the Mountain Meadows perpetrators murderers, as I consider the Haun’s mill perps murderers and the Carthage lynch mob murderers.
Perhaps it is less per capita. I responded to the claim of “never”. Since you agree that those things were murder, then you must also agree that “never” is incorrect, justified or not.
Mt 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mt 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mr 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mr 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Lu 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Lu 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Ga 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Ga 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Ga 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Where's the garden???
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I hate to say it, but I too have seen and heard Mormons speak very badly about others.
One thing though, I do not remember being taught in Church, during my pre-Mormon days, that we should not do it.
I do remember being taught by Lds Church leaders that we need to be respectful of others and of their beliefs.
Think back to the Articles of Faith.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
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Take the pains you suffer and and get rid of them by following Him to His Atonement.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
OK. Honest question. One I could never reconcile as LDS, nor did I ever get a reasonable answer to.
Why do LDS missionaries mostly preach to those who live in Western culture (and are at least nominally Christian) rather than to those who have NEVER heard of Christ (Africa, the Middle East, Asia)? Why do they preach of the “apostasy” if they believe they should “allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may”
And I am not talking about the “go out two by two”. I am asking why they choose to witness to those who have heard of Christ.
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IS or WAS?
Ya’ll have taught that He has already suffered all He will suffer.
Or is this just another of the “minor” difference, among followers of Christ,that ya’ll think do not matter?
You are not completely correct. We go and witness wherever we can. Our growth rate in Africa is pretty phenomenal. South and Central America are also growing quickly.
One of my sons is currently in Canada. I would not have been surprised if he had been called anywhere in the world.
“Many of us see the cross as celebrating the pain that Jesus suffered instead of celebrating the Atonement He achieved.
The Apostle Paul saw it differently...
Galatians 6:14, “God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Hence my use of the word “mostly”.
He as suffered all he will suffer “was”. Yet we apply the Atonement to our lives when we individually accept His sacrifice on our behalf.
Please re-read my statement. “Suffered” is in the PAST TENSE.
One of my sisters (non-Mormon), when she was a kid in SLC, went out with a Jewish fellow for a while.
She said he had a terrible time with arguments about who were the Gentiles.
They were already taken care of for me at the cross Fred
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
That didn't happen in the garden Fred
Galatians 6:14, “God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
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You took that scripture out of the middle of a talk about how we do not need to have the glory of hurting ourselves by cutting off our foreskin.
Peter was talking about how your causing yourself pain to be like Christ is of no value and about how we do not needing pain to receive the Atonement.
And if you read verse 16, you will see that Paul points you to the outcome of the suffering, the peace of the Atonement.
PS What do you think Paul was talking about when he said, “for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus” in verse 17?
Thanks for your thoughts.
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