Thank you so much OMM for the laugh. I needed it.
Posted on 03/20/2009 12:49:22 PM PDT by Old Mountain man
THE SOUTHERN Baptist Convention voted June 20 to adopt a resolution renouncing its racist roots and apologizing for its past defense of slavery.
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Thank you so much OMM for the laugh. I needed it.
Well, let me point out that I doubt that the majority of ANY religious organization in the United States today is bigoted or racist. However, I am sick and tired of the LDS Church being labeled as racist on these forums weekly for alleged racist incidents in the past. So I thought I would give the protestants a dose of reality. The reality is that the Southern Baptist Convention came into being to defend slavery.
When I was a member, I saw a pastor get fired because he invited a black person to attend services.
Perhaps if you want something from me you should ping me instead of your typical grandstanding and then bloviating off topic. The topic of this thread is the racism of the Southern Baptist Convention.
I thought you might need the education since you can’t seem to post anything other than negative stuff about my Church.
Ok. Thanks but I have an education. And for the record, I have posted corrections in favor of the LDS church when I see someone state things that are completely false, for example, someone posted that they had heard about sexual activity in the temple. I replied with a post correcting that.
If you slow down a bit, you might just find I am a level headed individual. Even some of the LDS on here have said so.
Have a happy day.
“When I was a member, I saw a pastor get fired because he invited a black person to attend services.”
Just curious. Around what year did this happen?
A long time ago.
Google up Christian.Identity then. You're in for an education.
Ummm....I figured that much. Let me rephrase it: was it anytime from say 1980 to the present?
I am guessing late 50’s early 60’s since OMM had mentioned in another thread meeting Truet Cathy (Chick fil A founder)at the Original Dwarf house (founded 1946) when he was a child.
“I am guessing late 50’s early 60’s since OMM had mentioned in another thread meeting Truet Cathy (Chick fil A founder)at the Original Dwarf house (founded 1946) when he was a child.”
The incident you described happening in the 1950s or 1960s doesn’t surprise me. I would’ve been greatly surprised
if it had happened possibly post-1970 and definitely post-1980.
Don’t be funny, they aren’t religious.
Sure they are. I don't agree with any of it, but they have a whole theology built up, just like other cults.
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said: "He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage." "That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...." (Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson "The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood. According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said: "The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."
said,
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
I suppose it’s time to research all the presbyterians for the last couple of centuries to see what they had to say, eh? Think you can stand the heat in that kitchen?
I didn’t know they were related to baptists.
Here, old man! Baptist churches in Alabama.
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1836
Race Relations
Early Baptist churches were almost always biracial in membership if not in function. By 1847, the state’s most influential association, the Alabama Association centered in Montgomery, had 3,573 members, 1,790 of them black. The state’s most influential church, Montgomery First Baptist, had 411 members, only 96 of them being white. Yet no African Americans served as pastor of such a church, although they were usually allowed to preach to black members and occasionally became so renowned that whites listened attentively as well.
Any thing like that in Mormondom?
We always have had members of all races. All the whining was about the Priesthood, not membership.
Closer to Mormonism than to the Baptists. You ought to dig into their theology.
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