Posted on 03/06/2009 9:51:50 AM PST by TaraP
I was thinking of attending there worship. I have admired many of thier teachings on Sabbath Observance Healthy Living, Chatiable Giving and Prophetic teachings. However I am not sure if all thier doctrine is sound.
I understand Ellen G White is the founder of this church In brief, she was a woman of remarkable spiritual gifts who lived most of her life during the nineteenth century (1827-1915), yet through her writings she is still making a revolutionary impact on millions of people around the world.
During her lifetime she wrote more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books; but today, including compilations from her 50,000 pages of manuscript, more than 100 titles are available in English. She is the most translated woman writer in the entire history of literature, and the most translated American author of either gender.
Her writings cover a broad range of subjects, including religion, education, social relationships, evangelism, prophecy, publishing, nutrition, and management. Her life-changing masterpiece on successful Christian living, Steps to Christ, has been published in more than 140 languages. Seventh-day Adventists believe that Mrs. White was more than a gifted writer; they believe she was appointed by God as a special messenger to draw the world's attention to the Holy Scriptures and help prepare people for Christ's second advent. From the time she was 17 years old until she died 70 years later, God gave her approximately 2,000 visions and dreams.
Who are the Apostate Churches today? can they easily be recognized?. It is simple to recognize apostate teachings, such as acceptance of homosexuality or teaching another way of salvation other than Jesus Christ, but is there additional teachings of apostate we should be looking for?...If we are not observing the Saturday Sabbath are we apostate? Thoughts on this?
When I was called by God I investigated 7th Adventists. I liked that they kept the sabbath and respected foods laws. However there were a few things that I couldn't agree with:
1. Ellen White - While her writings may be interesting and informative, this church seems to have elevated them scriptural status. They've been numbered and compiled and quoted the same as scripture often. The church seemed to be more about Ellen White worship than I was comfortable with.
2. The church does observe the sabbath day, but it also observes pagan days such as Christmas and Easter. If one is going to worship and hold the sabbath as the Lord's holy day (which it is) then the church should also observe the other holy days that were created by God. These are listed in Leviticus 23.
3. They subscribe to the heretical trinity belief. The trinity is a heresy not found in the bible.
There are other doctrinal issues, but these were the big three. I ended up with United Church of God.While no man made organization is perfect, I've found the doctrine to be sound and most near to biblical teachings and the teaching of Christ than any other.
Good luck and God bless in your search.
You wrote:
“No, I am staunchly and firmly standing on what Paul wrote as inspired by God while you are typing volumes in denial.”
Nope. You are claiming - according to your logic - that no one was saved in the Church before Paul came along. After all, only Paul taught the gospel you are claiming!
“Based on your responses it is impossible to tell if you’ve actually turned the pages of a Bible and read the words yourself since you deny some simple and easily verifiable statements that I’ve made.”
Actually NOTHING in the Bible confirms or affirms your basic premise. No where does it say ONLY Paul taught the gospel while Jesus and Peter and everyone else lied or were ignorant.
“The Church of the one body of Christ did not exist until after Christ’s death and resurrection and Christ did not teach about the mystery of ‘Christ in you the hope of glory’.”
So you claim, but it is only a claim - and that is not the only thing you are claiming. Again, Christ taught about the Church.
“Jesus taught to get Israel to recognize him as their messiah. And until God revealed it to Paul, no one knew about the way God would bring the Jew and Gentile together into one body of Christ.”
Nonsense. You are completely forgetting about Peter and Cornelius. And again, they idea that there was one gospel for Jewish Christians and another for Gentile Christians is completely wrong. There was ONE gospel.
“So twist and turn all you want, Paul and Christ did not teach the same thing however what they taught did not contradict.”
Wow, what a pharisaical answer. Did they teach DIFFERENT gospels, yes or no? You sure sound like you’re saying that they emphasized different aspects of THE SAME GOSPEL which is what I said earlier. That would put you at odds with Iscool because he said, “No, they are not different aspects of the same gospel...That’s like saying red and black are the same aspects of the color yellow...<”
Great. So we see Protestants can’t even agree with one another let alone an orthodox Christian, the Bible or Jesus Christ.
Can't respond tonight...Must leave...But will say that no one lied about the Gospel...The Gospel changed...Jesus changed the Gospel when he allowed the Gentiles to be adopted into His body...
It's a nice thought to think all everywhere were saved by Grace thru Faith without works...But if that was true, there'd be somce scripture to back it up...
F - I am not going to waste my time on this specific issue defining my termonolgy with a cultist.
You seem to be telling me that you hold yourself to less of a standard, then you want to hold me, when it comes to being responsible for what you say.
Quit mind reading and putting words in my mouth. You have historically no interest in these definitions and weasel out of statements you make. You have no interest and you fail to show the minimal interest to make it worth my time to respond on this issue further. Cheers.
There are degrees of apostacy/heterodoxy. Basically if they are teaching things that are not supported in Scripture, they are teaching heterodox/apostacy.
The more incorrect things they teach the more the church is considered heterodox. to the point that some are not even considered a Christian denomination at all - those that reject the Trinity, that reject Jesus as an uncreated, always existing part of the GodHead, for example - teaching things that directly deny and reject the core beliefs that make up Christianity.
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Your history of cutting and pasting, just because it matches what you want us to conclude, goes well with blaming others.
Did you ever study out the twenty year old magazines your c&p author misused for backup, or do you still just accept the conclusion because it is what you wanted.
LOL, they were for the individual's own background research - I made no judgment call on the specific articles. Now since you are all knowing - apparently you have insight to how they were misused. If so - put up otherwise your history of not being able to back up what you say will be sustained further. Cheers
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Yet you choose to only post the articles that are negative to this Church and represent your conclusion that you want others to get.
This way you can spread your lie without lieing yourself.
Are you talking about the RC Church which today is steeped with idolotry and paganism?
Saturnalian, Easter, etc?
And I should be concerned about what those religious organizations condone for doctrine?
Israel was fooled by baal worship that most likely closely imitated godly worship.
The religous leaders were the one’s opposed to God and Christ and who killed Jesus, so don’t dare use what is accepted religous doctrine today as how one should believe.
Man’s religion has always been the enemy of God.
“so don’t dare use what is accepted religous doctrine today as how one should believe.”
Ultimately and always, the Bible is the standard.
My point in discussing the Arian heresy was to show that it is nothing new and has already been thoroughly debunked by countless churches, councils and Christians since the very early church times.
Inasmuch as any church has a right doctrine, I can admit it, even if that church has other unBiblical doctrines.
If the Bible is going to be the standard then it requires that one actually believe it.
How do you reconcile the fact that the Bible clearly states that God is one and there is one God while on the other had saying that God has three aspects and that there are three personalities in the trinity (not intending to put words in your mouth).
A triune godhead is be description different than a single God who emphatically declares himself to be one.
I believe there is one God in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Bible verses to consider on this issue are many. Some of the better known include:
God created this world. But of Jesus we read: “all things were created by Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (John 1:3)
God alone is to be worshipped. But of Jesus we read of many worshipping Him without rebuke, from the wise men to Thomas to the disciples. . .”And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ And they came and held Him by the feet and worshipped Him.”
“For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)
“Then He said to Thomas, ‘Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.’ And Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:27-28)
“I and My Father are one.” (John 10:30)
“Philip said to Him, ‘Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.’ Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father, so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’” (John 14:8-9)
“How do you reconcile the fact that the Bible clearly states that God is one and there is one God while on the other had saying that God has three aspects and that there are three personalities in the trinity?”
There are three persons, not personalities, so that’s a fine distinction. But honestly, I don’t know that I “reconcile” it. I confess it, because it is what the Bible says. The Bible says Jesus is a man. The Bible says Jesus is God. How can that be? Mathematically, I don’t know. But I confess it in faith.
Many seem to think that if you believe Jesus is God, you automatically deny He is a man. But that is not the trinitarian, orthodox confession. We confess that Jesus is God AND that He is a man. Biblically, we can confess nothing else.
In this case, not just the Catholic Church but Protestants as well - in general "Christianity."
And I should be concerned about what those religious organizations condone for doctrine?
As I said, I'm fine with whatever you wish to be concerned about. My point was your doctrine came late, well after the Apostles; and, the debate with Arius has more depth and breadth in the councils than the surface treatment on this thread.
If you want more information on both the Arian side or the Church side, I recommend it to you.
thanks for your reply..
Or religion, methinks. It’s all nebulous Kumbaya there. There is a Unitarian Universalist Church in a nearby community with a bulletin board announcement out front that says, “All beliefs welcome”.
I choose to post material that exposes the truth that reveals the lies of mormonism. The truth hurts, doesn't it F. But then it is ok in your eyes for the missionaries to represent negative issues about Christianity. So, find another venue F, this is about sda.
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How can this be when you said,
“LOL, they were for the individual’s own background research - I made no judgment call on the specific articles.”
One time you tell me you do not know if the articles are true or not:::::
then, You tell me you only post what you think art truths.
Of course, there are many who do not want this to be God's Church who do not really care about the facts, they only care about their conclusions being justified, and by any means.
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