[delacoert]

"Officially, the loss of membership was for conduct unbecoming a church member. The charges were rooted in his failure to pay tithing, a lapse in other religious obligations and, according to a senior church elder, his involvement with the 2008 "Men on a Mission" calendar."

[EagleUSA]

Separation of church and university??? Huh??? These people seem to have a problem with that.

[svcw]

I hope he sues them for every penny he paid these morons. What a scam.
Tithing is between yo and God not you and university. What the hell are religious obligations, the school makes you complete a list?
Good grief.
Sue’m and get your money back.

[auntyfemenist]

If they accept federal student aid then they could be in trouble.

[Stourme]

"Officially, the loss of membership was for conduct unbecoming a church member. The charges were rooted in his failure to pay tithing, a lapse in other religious obligations and, according to a senior church elder, his involvement with the 2008 "Men on a Mission" calendar."

The reporter should be fired for this irresponsible, ignorant, and down right sloppily written story.

1. Tithing is voluntary. You can simply be a member of the Church and never pay a dime the rest of your life. You can never go to Church and still be a member.

2. a lapse in other religious obligations This is ridiculous... What "religious" obligations would that be? You can be a member of the Church and never go to Church if you want nor do you have to pay a dime in tithing to be a member.

3. according to a senior church elder... Sloppy and ignorant. What exactly is a "senior church elder"? And what's his name? What, no source was cited? A non-cited source + a non-existent title = I made this quote up and anyone that's not a Mormon won't know the difference.

4. Was he excommunicated for producing pornography and trying to tie it to the Church? I'd bet money on it. Church policy is that that information on Church discipline is personal in nature and not to be discussed publicly.

I can't write anymore tonight....ugg

[fproy2222]

You seem to be saying that even though this student did not live up to his contract, he should receive the rewards just as if he had.

Is this just because he did not keep his word with BYU, a Mormon school, that you think he should receive his reward, or do you pay everyone who does not follow through on his promise.

[greyfoxx39]

Chad Hardy has posted the details of his excommunication from the mormon church

Setting the Records Straight - The Back Story to the Excommunication of Chad Hardy Date: Jul 20, 2008 Author: Chad Hardy

[greyfoxx39]

The BYU-Idaho Student Handbook is posted here and I suppose the Utah handbook is similar:

Link

If anyone would like to sift through to find the section applicable to the honor code binding someone who "was not a student and had not stepped foot on campus for 6+ years" please ping me with the info.

Not interested in the part where only one earring per ear is acceptable.

[greyfoxx39]

Chad Hardy posted the basics of his interview with the Dean of Students at BYU.

Last Friday, February 13th, I had my official university review with Vernon Heperi, Dean of Students at BYU. Susan flew with me to Utah for the review, and a Valentine's weekend ski get-away. She has no religious upbringing whatsoever, and for her to witness the university review at a Mormon-run school was indeed shocking. She still can't believe what she experienced, and neither can I. She told me that several times during the review, she had to hold her mouth from dropping from the questions that Mr. Heperi asked me.

My experience as a full-blooded Latter-day Saint is that the LDS church has an obsession with sex- even more than my innocent beefcake calendar. They don't get off by openly acting out sexually, just by asking others what they do in private. They love to ask the dirty little personal questions. For those who are, or have been LDS- you know exactly what I am talking about. You never can enjoy a private moment without thinking that you will have to discuss every graphic detail in your next bishop's interview.

Well let's just say that my "university review" at the accredited Brigham Young University felt much like a bishop's interview - but it managed to entirely cross the line into much more personal, private questions.

From Heperi's point of view, in order for him to grant me an exception to receive a diploma because I was excommunicated from the Mormon Church, he had to determine that I was still in good honor code standing currently- meaning that since I was last enrolled at BYU in 2002, and bound by the honor code - up until the current time I sat across from him in the review, I had to have lived the BYU honor code in its fullest.

Yes, you read that right. The past 6+ years, even though I was not a student and had not stepped foot on campus until my August 2008 graduation, I had to have abstained from coffee, tea, alcohol, and anything and everything SEX all those years I was away in order to be in good honor code standing to receive my degree.

I am sorry to say that I have worn shorts, grew out a beard and watched an R rated movie a few times since 2002, so I might be out of a diploma.

If you think this is ludicrous, how do you think my poor friend Susan felt. She is still freaked out about it. My Dad was there too. Imagine being grilled about sex in front of your Dad- and at an "academic" review. I know I am a grown adult, but please! It was so extremely embarrassing and inappropriate. My family is uber-Mormon. They don't talk about sex, period! The whole experience was so surreal and strange and just plain degrading.

I recorded the review, and will have it available for public consumption in the future.

Link

[ejonesie22]

BYU is a fully accredited university (Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges)so his hours should transfer to a real school.

If BYU is smart that will facilitate his transfer toot sweet.

[SeaHawkFan]

Gee, I’ve know people who requested that they be taken off the rolls of the Mormon Church and had a very difficult time getting them to comply with their requests. If all a guy has to do is take his shirt off and have a picture taken, that problem is solved.

[reaganaut]

I am not surprised. When I was at BYU, there was a girl in the honors program with me that became a Christian and started to attend a Christian church in the middle of her Senior year. She was expelled and ordered to pay back ALL of her Church sponsored scholarships.

She still lived by the “code of honor” but was an “apostate”, so she was kicked. 3.8 GPA IIRC.

[fproy2222]

If you believe that it is alright not to live up to your contracts, I will give your name to some folks who promised to pay me back for a loan and never did.

They need a new mark to steal from.

[humblegunner]

Mormon beefcake calendar

"I'm so hot I can get six wives!!!"