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To: TaraP; Frumanchu
First off..Jesus coming like a *Thief in the Night* is not the second coming,

That’s one theory. Most theologians, past and present, do not happen to agree with that theory.

According to you Jesus Christ is only going to be concerned with his true flock and to hell with the rest.

Not sure where you get that reading of my views.

The Purpose of Jesus Christ removing his church is to give people another chance to be reconciled to GOD,

In case you have not noticed, God doesn’t need to remove one people from the earth to reconcile. He is quite capable of doing both, as is evidenced from the entire NT when Jews and gentiles came together with the salvation of God to form one new man, the Church. In the books of Acts, for example, we find several instances of Him reconciling thousands of Jewish people in a single day. So, your bogus contention does not stand the test of the Bible. That’s one reason why the pop prophecy conferences are so popular with the theologically naïve. Most folks don’t know enough to ask the hard questions. And those that do usually would not be found dead at such a conference.

The theory that God needs to remove the Church so that God can unleash a great holocaust against national Israel is totally unsupported from the Bible.

But I’m sure that is what was being taught at the sessions of this “prophecy conference”. Here we have the so-called friends of Israel getting together to tell one another how they all won’t be around when two-thirds of the “apple of God’s eye” is reduced to ashes.

The good news for Jewish people, as for all people, is that none of this “holocaust is in store for Israel” stuff is true. All sorts of men can come to Christ today and be reconciled to God. They don’t need to be segregated along racial lines. Jews are no more incapable today of being saved than anyone else, since ultimately salvation of the Lord. He chooses who will be raised from the dead spiritually by identification with the first resurrection, that is, the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The next event on the eschatological radar is the return of Christ, the general resurrection of all men, followed immediately by the great white throne judgment (aka separation of the sheep and goats).

75 posted on 02/25/2009 12:23:58 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: topcat54

“MOST theologians past and present . . . “

ROTFLOL!


85 posted on 02/25/2009 12:58:46 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: topcat54
In case you have not noticed, God doesn’t need to remove one people from the earth to reconcile. He is quite capable of doing both, as is evidenced from the entire NT when Jews and gentiles came together with the salvation of God to form one new man, the Church.

"one new man, the Church??? Yikes. I know that is what your English Bible says, but surely you know that ekklesia is not a new entity in Acts. Surely, you are well-enough trained in church tradition, and in the actual text to know that what you reference is tradition, as opposed to what the text actually says? Surely, you have read the LXX and know the word ekklesia is used to refer to the people of Israel. Surely, you know the word ekklesia is used by Stephen to refer to Israel? Surely, you know the word ekklesia is used by Jesus not "prophetically" in Matthew 16 (Calvinists hate prophecy don't you know), but rather was refering to His congregation - the people of Israel? Surely you know that Jesus says that "Salvation is of the Jews" and apart from Israel, you don't have a hope? Surely you know that Paul says the same thing - without hope, stranger to the covenants of promise...Surely, you know that "one new man" is the antenicean code phrase for "Gentiles only"?

Surely, you know all of that? Or are you still wearing Justin Martyr's anti-Israel glasses?
218 posted on 03/01/2009 5:24:14 PM PST by safisoft
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