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To: Iscool

You wrote:

“You defined what you think the ‘church’ is...And you clearly segregated it from the people who ‘attend your church’...”

No. I defined what the Church actually is, not what I think it is. I have no idea what you’re saying here: “And you clearly segregated it from the people who ‘attend your church’...” You’re not making any sense.

“When I said no church is the Body of Christ, I was using your definition, not the Biblical one...I thought that would have been obvious...”

Your statement was false, and you were not using my definition. I stated CLEARLY that the Church is the body of Christ, while YOU denied it. I also posted a verse that showed that the Church is the body of Christ.

“To get the distinction more clear, the ‘church’ (small c) is the Biblical church, the believers, not the Church (Capital C) which we all know is your Catholic religion, with all it’s trappings...”

No. A religion is not a Church, nor a church. Simple grammar defeats you. That’s one of the problems anti-Catholics so often seem to have - the very language shows that their ideas make no sense. In reality the church is the Church and it is Catholic and catholic. It’s just that simple. But no, to claim what you claim you must literally misuse the language. Fitting.

“To those who are in Christ, and Christ in them, I believe I give witness that I am in Christ...”

So you say, and what evidence do I see of it here? You deny Christ’s Church. How can you be IN Christ and deny His body? Logically that is an impossibility.

“A little more crude than some, but in Christ, none the less...”

And yet you are somehow opposed to Christ’s Church? Sorry, your views have no relationship to reality.


92 posted on 02/13/2009 8:25:25 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
“You defined what you think the ‘church’ is...And you clearly segregated it from the people who ‘attend your church’...”

No. I defined what the Church actually is, not what I think it is. I have no idea what you’re saying here: “And you clearly segregated it from the people who ‘attend your church’...” You’re not making any sense.

Well let's try this again then...

The Church will ALWAYS be what she once was because she cannot be anything else. People are changed, but the Church, as the body of Christ changes not.

The people,,, but, the Church...

You have made a distinction BETWEEN the people and the Church...And that's NOT Biblical...And we see that all the time, even here on FR...

I have seen it claimed that the Church is the priesthood...The Church is the pope and magisterium...The Church is the Church fathers...The Church is the catechism...The Church is the long robes and rituals...The Church is a structure adorned with statues, paintings, tapestries, chants, etc...And the head of this Church is the pope and the head of the pope is Christ (and Mary)...In other words, a religion...

And the parishoners are called the 'faithful'...Apparently faithful to the Church...Faithful to the Cathoic Faith...

However, all of this is in contradiction to the words of God...It may have some things in common with the Jewish religion with the temples and rituals but has nothing in common with the 'church' of the New Testament...

The 'church', the Body of Christ is the body of called out believers...Numerous scriptures have been posted in the past to prove this...

Your Church is NOT the church that Jesus called out to be separate from the world and be saved...

Your Church is a religion that worships the same God as the Muzlims (admitted by your magisterium as well as many Catholics on FR)...Your God is in a wafer, the muzlims have the same God in a black rock over in the desert...

The Body of Christ is those who are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, 24/7 (not just for 20 minutes when they eat the wafer) and who are as well, IN CHRIST...

A pope or priest, or pastor or minister or a religion is no more representative or no more a member of the Body of Christ and His church than a homeless believing man, with ragged clothes that reeks of stale wine sitting in the last pew of a church...

I am the Body of Christ, the church...If you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, you are the Body of Christ...And if your pope is filled with the Holy Spirit of God, he is the Body of Christ...A religion (your Church is NOT the Body of Christ...

98 posted on 02/14/2009 5:50:16 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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