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To: Pyro7480
I had a conversation with my 90yr old father yesterday. He is reading a book about slavery in America where there is evidently some historical dispute as to the actual number of Africans that were brought across the ocean to become slaves. And we discussed how the number, while interesting from an historical point of view, is irrelevant to the evil of slavery. But we still wanted to know the facts.

It got me to thinking.....why is it antisemitic to even question the number of Jews killed by the Nazis?...isn't that a historical question that is interesting in it's own right?

But it seems to ask that question today,to want to know the facts, which has nothing to do with diminishing the evil of the Holocaust, is somehow a bad thing, subject to censure. Now why is that?

14 posted on 02/05/2009 3:15:27 PM PST by mick
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To: mick
It got me to thinking.....why is it antisemitic to even question the number of Jews killed by the Nazis?...isn't that a historical question that is interesting in it's own right?...But it seems to ask that question today,to want to know the facts, which has nothing to do with diminishing the evil of the Holocaust, is somehow a bad thing, subject to censure. Now why is that?...14 posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:15:27 PM

Of course it does, the contension is that there were a couple hundred thousand who died, not were killed, and that the Shoah was a fraud perpetrated on the world in order to establish the State of Israel. In furtherance of their plot to establish world dominion for the anti-Christ based in Jerusalem. The same Jews who took over the Catholic Church in the 1960s. Popes for the last 50 years being agents of the devil.

These are toxic views.

If the author of your fathers book contends 5,000 Afticans came her in furtherance of obtaining American citizenship for their descendents, who could collect welfare from white America, he's a racist.

16 posted on 02/05/2009 3:48:47 PM PST by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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To: mick

Mick,

You wrote:

“Now why is that?”

Probably because we actually have a very good idea how many Jews died at the hands of the Nazis and their allies. While we have only a relative handful of records that tell us how many slaves died we have modern census records, often exacting in their nature, the Nazis own massive record collection and the actual memoirs of Holocaust survivors.

What Williamson said that was so upsetting to people was this:

“I believe there were no gas chambers.” He said this after admitting he had once said, and still believes, that no Jew was ever killed in a gas chamber. He then goes on to say that revisionists have concluded that only 200,000 to 300,000 Jews died in concentration camps. He also verbally pust the Holocaust in quotes.

He is, in essence, denying the Holocaust. He doesn’t want to give the word itself any credibility! He dismisses the idea that many hundreds of thousands were gassed despite the overwhelming evidence - including that of survivors who knew of the operations of the chambers.

If he had just been disputing the number who had died in the camps as opposed to outside of the camps, that would have been one thing. But he was clearly dismissing the idea of genocide.

Now, I suppose it is possible for someone to doubt or even deny the Holocaust and not be anti-semitic. It always seems, however, that the people who doubt or deny the Holocaust are anti-semitic.


21 posted on 02/05/2009 3:55:07 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: mick; Pyro7480; marshmallow
I had a conversation with my 90yr old father yesterday. He is reading a book about slavery in America where there is evidently some historical dispute as to the actual number of Africans that were brought across the ocean to become slaves. And we discussed how the number, while interesting from an historical point of view, is irrelevant to the evil of slavery. But we still wanted to know the facts.

My daughter is doing a college report right now on this very topic. In her research, she learned that some of the freed slaves actually purchased slaves of their own. That's just the way it was back then. Slavery was with us from ancient times (plenty of evidence of this throughout the Bible) but we, as a society have progressed. Slavery is wrong ... period.

why is it antisemitic to even question the number of Jews killed by the Nazis?

To pose the question as a student of history gathering statistics ... nothing. In the case of SSPX Bishop Williamson, he never asked the question. He simply denied the holocaust. We have too many 'statistics' to deny such an event ever took place. It would be tantamount to denying that 50 million babies have been murdered in our present society.

25 posted on 02/05/2009 4:38:08 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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