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How Does a Person Become a Catholic? [Ecumenical]
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Posted on 01/26/2009 5:35:29 PM PST by Salvation

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To: Ag88
Though I cannot participate in Communion, I am thankful to be in His presence.

You are a rare specimen: a mature adult.

41 posted on 01/26/2009 8:31:05 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (They moved my pie.)
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To: GrouchoTex

There are so many details with an annulment.

Did either of the wives really want to be married?

Did the really want to have children?

If your answer to either of those questions is “NO”, then you have a very simple “lack of form” annulment.

Then it gets more complicated from there.

Did you have church weddings or were you married by a Justice of the Peace or a mayor, etc. Those civil marriages are not recognized by the church and are also easy annulments.

Like I said, there are so many ins and outs on this subject. If you still desire to be a Catholic I suggest you find a Catholic priest who is knowledgeable in this area; he will help you walk through the process.


42 posted on 01/26/2009 8:39:51 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: GrouchoTex; markomalley
The Catholic Church demands that I go to the diocese and pay for the privilege of doing so, twice, I my case.

Yeah, in many dioceses you have to pay for the considerable time and work that go into an annulment. I don't like it, but I think it's not fair to characterize it as paying for the annulment. You want something that's involved, SOMEBODY's paying for the people doing the work.

(2) If I go to Christ and ask for forgiveness for being an adulterer, ...

But, strictly speaking, you are saying that you are not going to stop committing the sin. It's hard to reconcile that with your saying it's a sin.

Yeah, we all know when we go to confession, that we're probably going to do whatever we confessed again, and distressingly soon too.

But here's a case where you have a choice. It's not like swearing or eating too much. You have to do the work and pay the expense to get an annulment. YEAH, that's a burden, but you can do it, and compared to quitting smoking or something, it's not so very hard.

But if you don't mean to do it, then your act of contrition in confession is patently insincere. And that's not good for you.

And as to your earlier question, for quite some time now the Church has left questions of the legitimacy of offspring to the state. In the state's eyes you and your current wife were married before. The children are "legitimate". There's no problem.

But in the Church's eyes, either you were not married before or you are not married now.

This is all pretty straightforward. The basis for it is biblical. Either there was fornication before or there is adultery now. So that's the problem.

This isn't personal. It's just an effort to explain what's going on.

43 posted on 01/26/2009 8:42:30 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: AlexW

That reason has to come from your heart. I would suggest your read some stories about converts. You might identify with one and the “reason” would virtually jump off the page at you.


44 posted on 01/26/2009 8:45:24 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: GrouchoTex
Yeah, for GrouchoTex I think "All y'all" is right.

For some Yankees I would recommend Them'uns.

Sounds a bit redneck...

You say that like it's a bad thing ....

There you go agin, lyin' through yer tooth.

;-)

45 posted on 01/26/2009 8:46:58 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Ag88

No Catholic fails because of divorce. Maybe mistakes were made, but that doesn’t mean your faith has failed.

Sit down with a priest and talk to see if you can start back on the journey toward receiving the Eucharist. You might be surprised.


46 posted on 01/26/2009 8:47:39 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Mad Dawg
Your explanation is one that I do not disagree with entirely , however. all the people being involved (exe’s & children who are now grown) did have compelling arguments.

From what my local parish has told me, in the eyes of the church, I am not married now.

And again, I do not disagree with the Catholic Church or the positions they hold, but their positions I can not abide by or that I find too restrictive, Granted, it is a state by state position, but isn't that in and of itself a contradiction? I mean, it's right or wrong, right? So I am left with a choice.

Many may not agree with my choice, but I will leave it to God to decide. So, if the Catholic Church considers me to be an adulterer because I have divorced and remarried, so be it,I'll let God decide that. After all, Maryland may but Pennsylvania may not? Again, God knows me better than all and I'll let him decide before any one human or board of them (with or without fees) does. So be it (Amen)

47 posted on 01/26/2009 9:06:38 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Mad Dawg

When I was a musician, I used to play in a bar where we used to say:

” The patrons had tatoos and were missing their front teeth, and that was just the women”

To which, I would reply, “Someday I’m gonna marry that girl!”


48 posted on 01/26/2009 9:10:12 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Salvation; GrouchoTex
Did either of the wives really want to be married?

Well the Ol' Mizris says she really wanted to right up until she was. But by then it was too late.

49 posted on 01/27/2009 4:11:58 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: GrouchoTex
Granted, it is a state by state position, but isn't that in and of itself a contradiction? I mean, it's right or wrong, right? So I am left with a choice.

Serious, Wha'? here. State by state or diocese by diocese? It sounds like you almost fell into the teeth of the Catholic machine. Others are tired of my saying it, but the old line is, "I don't believe in organized religion; I'm a Catholic."

Many may not agree with my choice, but I will leave it to God to decide.

Always a good idea. Well, FWIW, my advice is keep nagging Him about it.

before any one human or board of them (with or without fees)

And that would be one of the things to nag him about. "We have this treasure in earthen vessels," which is to say, the Church thinks of itself (rightly IMHO) as having apostolic authority and the gifts necessary to exercise that authority. ON the other hand, few humans are so very human as a bunch of ecclesiastical bureaucrats. It is as true in the Church as in the world that 100 IQ is average.

It is always appropriate to nag God. Remember the widow.

50 posted on 01/27/2009 4:23:53 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: GrouchoTex
“Someday I’m gonna marry that girl!”

LOL!

See thar? Ifn you HAD up 'n married her, we prob'ly woudn' be havin' this conversation.

Hush up and pass me one them ham biscuits, wouldja?

51 posted on 01/27/2009 4:26:32 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: wombtotomb
"I ,for one, am sick and tired of “reaching across the aisle” in my church. I adhere to the teachings of the church to remain catholic. I invite all those who don’t agree or want to change them to find a more suitable denomination, you already are NOT a catholic."

You're not the only one that feels that way!
52 posted on 01/27/2009 4:59:45 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The only difference between diapers and politicians is that diapers are changed more often)
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To: Salvation
I attended the RCIA classes with him, because I was curious about the process of becoming Catholic myself.

I did this exact same thing with my wife and stepson. It was actually a really great experience to go through. The debates and discussions that occurred during the classes only strengthened my connection to the Catholic faith. When you are a kid growing up Catholic, it just doesn't sink in the same way that it does when you are more mature and have a better ability to truly participate in these religious debates and discussions with the priest of your church. I would highly recommend to all practicing Catholics to become a sponsor for someone wishing to join the church.
53 posted on 01/27/2009 5:13:15 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (This nation must not die on our watch.)
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To: AlexW

A good book to read about the subject
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/


54 posted on 01/27/2009 5:26:29 AM PST by genetic homophobe ("I readily concede I chucked aside my free-market principles..." defend that)
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To: genetic homophobe; AlexW

Only if you want to believe a bunch of ignorance.


55 posted on 01/27/2009 6:32:26 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: ikka
Maybe it is an outlier, and surely just an anecdote, but my original point stands: "If you are going to be a serious Catholic (taking canon law, etc. seriously), expect to be lonely".

That is true of a great many churches/denominations. People who just show up because it is the thing to do.

56 posted on 01/27/2009 8:12:23 AM PST by Jaded (Don't go away mad... just go away!)
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To: Salvation
Membership in any corporation will not provide salvation.

Only by calling His NAME will provide salvation.

His NAME is Yah'shua
which in G-d's language means:
YHvH is my salvation.

Salvation is from YHvH.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

57 posted on 01/27/2009 8:29:47 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: GrouchoTex; Mad Dawg; Salvation; markomalley
Welcome to the overshare portion of our program:

I am currently going through the annullment process. For me it is "easy" because I married a divorced Catholic against the advice of several people including a priest. We were married by a Justice of the Peace so it is about Canonical form. (ah, to be young and stupid)

His (my ex) first marriage was in the Church, his other three were in front of JPs. While he says he doesn't have a problem with the annullment per say... all other statements he makes say that he does. His complaint is that "they are suppose to be about forgiveness and people make mistakes". He has this warped idea that annullment makes children from the marriages illegitimate. Even ours.... As a bonus, my annullment should be final on what would have been our 25th.

OTOH, I know a non-Catholic who has been married three times, all by ministers.

The appearance to the casual observer is that non-Catholic clergy take the sacrament of marriage less seriously.

The thing that people really, really overlook is marriage is not a sacrament with the Catholic Church but a covenant between a man and a woman. Not a contract to be broken or renegotiated. Since we live in a society of disposables, marriage becomes another disposable commodity easily cast aside at the first sign of discontent.

58 posted on 01/27/2009 9:00:40 AM PST by Jaded (Don't go away mad... just go away!)
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To: Jaded
marriage is not a sacrament with the Catholic Church but a covenant between a man and a woman.

Didn't you mean the opposite? It is a sacrament, and that makes it a covenant between the spouses and God, rather than a contract of two people.

59 posted on 01/27/2009 9:53:55 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

The sacrament/covenant is not with the church but rather the people, the priest is a witness.


60 posted on 01/27/2009 10:14:31 AM PST by Jaded (Don't go away mad... just go away!)
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