Debunking the Galileo Myth

CERC ^ | DINESH D'SOUZA

[wagglebee]

You deliberately ignore the real point.

Nonsense, you made a statement, now back it up.

Jesuits are certainly not interested in what the Bible has to say about anything.

Says YOU.

He attempted to explain to me that because man is made in God's image then God must be a female.

If what you are saying is true, then he was wrong. However, this is certainly not represented in the Baltimore Catechism.

[tpanther]

....by the Church, for pointing out the inconvenient fact that the...

Here's another inconvenient fact:

NO WHERE in the New Testament does it instruct Christians to behave as Inquisitioners behaved.

[tpanther]

Most of the folks claiming there is a war between religion and science are fundamentalists.

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You just never cease with the projections do you CM?

[Radix]

"Nonsense, you made a statement, now back it up."

What is the fundamental rationalization of the Church?

Why is there a Church?

Why should anyone believe in what the Church pronounces? Do you know?

I'll tell you what I was told by "Jesuits."

Ready?

It is the Resurrection!

Are you OK with that?

[Caramelgal]

Here's another inconvenient fact:

NO WHERE in the New Testament does it instruct Christians to behave as Inquisitioners behaved.

And here's another inconvenient fact for you:

NO WHERE in the New Testament (or in the Old Testament) does it instruct any true Christian to believe that that Earth is only 6,000 years old.

[Radix]

Well I suppose that the tantalizing bait that I left out there is not going to be adequate. The reality is that the Apostles had to tarry in the City of Peace for a time.

It was the dispensation of the Spirit that made all of the difference. There was no Ecclesia immediately after the Cross.

The "Called Out" were manifest only upon Pentecost.

I challenge you to read carefully Acts chapter 2, especially verses 37 & 38, the words of Peter (the key master).

The New Law that was promised in Jeremiah 31;13, recognized in Romans 2: 14-15., Hebrews 8;10; Hebrews 10;16; and elsewhere......

But of course, I'll have to indulge the mindless rantings of the subordinates of the Jesuit sect for all of the days of my life because clout is simply a weapon that I shall never wield.

So be it.

[LiteKeeper]

read later

[Petrosius]

Not a one among them will defend such things as the virgin birth, or the gifts of the Spirit, but they will indeed go along with the Baltimore Catechism and other such nonsense.

For your information, from the Baltimore Catechism:

86. How was the Son of God made man?

The Son of God was conceived and made man by the power of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

87. When was the Son of God conceived and made man?

The Son of God was conceived and made man on Annunciation Day, the day on which the Angel Gabriel announced to the Blessed Virgin Mary that she was to be the Mother of God.

125. Which are the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost?

The seven gifts of the Holy Ghost are: wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord.

And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him; the spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the spirit of counsel and of fortitude, the spirit of knowledge and of godliness. And he shall be filled with the spirit of the fear of the Lord. (Isaiah 11:2-3)

[Skooz]

bfl

[Coyoteman]

You just never cease with the projections do you CM?

If you have nothing productive to say, please don't post to me.

[Radix]

Yeah I've read it.

I cannot find the term "Annunciation Day" in the Bible.

I cannot find the term "Mother of God" in the Bible.

Does God have a mother?

I can find gifts of the Spirit, but perhaps I read too much.

[betty boop]

This is an excellent post, djf! Thanks ever so much for the ping! I’m a little engaged with another project right at the moment; but I’ll come back here and see what’s developed just as soon as I can.

[Petrosius]

What is the fundamental rationalization of the Church?

Why is there a Church?

Perhaps you missed these little tidbits from the Bible:

And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church. and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
–Matt. 16:18

And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
–Matt. 18:17

Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
–Acts 20:28

I could have included many others. I suggest that you read the Acts of the Apostles to see the early life of the church established upon the apostles by our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Radix]

I really have read it all. More than once by the way.

It is curious to me that rational folks can read the same stuff and come up with different conclusions.

I think that one distinction is that though reasonable people will sometimes disagree, it is incumbent upon them to maintain civility.

D’accord?

[Petrosius]

I cannot find the term "Annunciation Day" in the Bible.

Oh, do not be so silly. "Annunciation Day" is the day on which the Angel Gabriel announced to the Blessed Virgin Mary that she was to be the Mother of God. This happened on some day, why complain about what we call it?

I cannot find the term "Mother of God" in the Bible.

Does God have a mother?

Jesus is God. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Therefore Mary is the Mother of God. This does not mean that Mary is the mother of Jesus' divinity but only that she is the mother of the one person Jesus who is both God and man. "Does God have mother?" Jesus is God and he has a mother, Mary, so the answer is yes.

[Pelham]

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/billramey/duhem.htm

“In reality, science as a discipline was stillborn in Greece after Aristotle’s death, long before Christianity came on the scene. If any discipline has been “flawed” due to religious reasons, it’s the history of science. You see, the information about Buridan and Oresme was suppressed for years at the behest of certain elements of the French government, because it indicated a Christian origin of science. The case was notorious in France in the 50’s, (when the info was finally released) and my philosophy advisor (an atheist and Marxist scholar) told me that it was used in French universities of the time as a prime example of government censorship (after I brought it up in class). Here’s the story ...”

[Petrosius]

Remain civil, but of course. But I am curious how you could rationally deny the existence of the church when it is clearly described in the Bible.

[Radix]

So then (according to you) God has a mother.

Does God also have a father?

Does God have sisters and brothers?

Ultimately we are headed toward “the mystery” aspects of God in any such discussion. You have no place else to go.

That is not what the Bible is about when I read it.

The Bible is about revelation.

You are logically compelled to deny that when we get down.

[Petrosius]

Let us avoid dishonest discourse. As I pointed out, the term "Mother of God" refers only to the person Jesus Christ, God and man. It does not, nor has it ever been implied, to refer the entire Blessed Trinity or to the Godhead. The term, from the Greek Theotokos (God bearer), is used to stress the indivisible union in Jesus of the two natures of God and man. There is only one person, Jesus; not two, a God Jesus and a man Jesus. Jesus is both God and man, and Mary is his mother. To try to read anything else in the term would be dishonest.

[redgolum]

His ideas about other worlds wasn't the problem, but that those worlds and this one had existed in eternity (which was a pagan Greek idea).

The Masonic armies of Garibaldi built a statue to Bruno, for all the wrong reasons. No one really cared about some of his non theological ideas. In fact, some of them were quite popular (the idea of other inhabited worlds). It was his other issues that led him into trouble.