Debunking the Galileo Myth

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[NYer]

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[BuckeyeTexan]

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[Coyoteman]

Most of the folks claiming there is a war between religion and science are fundamentalists.

[redgolum]

Galileo’s problem was that he made fun of his main patron, the Pope, while in the Papal states.

At the time, he was lucky to just get house arrest for it. Many others were executed for less (insulting the sovereign was a quick way to die in those days in most states).

[anniegetyourgun]

Dinesh is so brilliant.

There has never been a REAL disconnect between God and science....particularly since science is a creation of God.

[SoftwareEngineer]

Oh Gosh! Talk about revisionism!!!

As conservative as I am, I am not afraid to admit that the Catholic Church was WRONG (with a capital “W”) in its treatment of science.

While we are all upset about Liberals misquoting facts let us not start becoming DENIERS who deny historical truth. I myself went to Catholic school in the early 70s and let me tell you even then the Church was very anti science.

For some reason the Church believes science and religion cannot co exist. Ironically that position is also shared by athiests.

On the other side are people like me and a billion others that see no problem in science and religion co-existing

[thefrankbaum]

I myself went to Catholic school in the early 70s and let me tell you even then the Church was very anti science.

How so?

For some reason the Church believes science and religion cannot co exist.

Evidence?

I spent 4 years in a Jesuit High School, and then 4 years at a Jesuit College - what you say in no way describes my experience. See: Catechism - 156 et seq.

[SunkenCiv]

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[spetznaz]

Oh Gosh! Talk about revisionism!!!

Oh, and while we are at it, let's also remember that the Inquisition was also totally ' misunderstood.' It was simply a toga party, and the ' torture' was simply the pouring of hot wax on willing subjects. The warping of the inquisition was due to Atheists and the like, turning harmless fun into something seemingly bad!

Also, the atrocities of Saddam have also been misunderstood. He was simply trying to be magnanimous to his people, it's just that in Iraqi culture people expected to be beaten if their dear leader is to show them he loves them!

As for Idi Amin and Pol Pot ....also loving people who just made the mistake of hiring bad PR people. They never did mean to kill a soul.

Finally, Al Queda. It is ...oh shucks, I cannot revise their rap sheet. However, give it some years and I am sure someone will make it seem ' understandable.' From what I hear, the Left has already given ' reasons' why the Somali pirates are taking over ships. Apparently it is due to over-fishing, and the Somali pirates are simply victims. Thus, if some of the things that used to happen centuries ago (I guess now the Catholic church then loved science and never tried to stiffle it ....and I also guess one could print the Bible without fear of, well, any number of ' offenses' ) and that the current Somali pirates are simply victims, then in a matter of time Osama and his ilk will be just a bunch of misunderstood people who were only simply trying to preach womens rights and equal treatment to the world.

[hinckley buzzard]

For some reason the Church believes science and religion cannot co exist. Ironically that position is also shared by athiests.

The Pope says you're wrong, but probably he didn't go to the same school you did, so how would he know.

[Military family member]

The Experiment Galileo Didn’t Do: We read in textbooks about how Galileo went to the Tower of Pisa and dropped light and heavy bodies to the ground. He discovered that they hit the ground at the same time, thus refuting centuries of idle medieval theorizing. Actually Galileo didn’t do any such experiments; one of his students did. The student discovered what we all can discover by doing similar experiments ourselves: the heavy bodies hit the ground first! As historian of science Thomas Kuhn points out, it is only in the absence of air resistance that all bodies hit the ground at the same time.

This explanation isn't quite correct. Drop a 10-pound weight and a 50-pound weight at the same time and both hit at the same time. Try a ping pong ball and a bowling ball. Both hit at the same time.

If you drop a feather and a bowling ball, the ball will hit first because of the shape of the feather. Drop both in a vacuum and yes, both hit at the same time. If both objects have the same shape but different weights, they will hit at the same time because the air will affect both the same way.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Most of the folks claiming there is a war between religion and science are fundamentalists.

There is no war as long as science confines itself to the study of reality as at present constituted and doesn't go retrojecting current physical laws into the distant past in order to provide a purely natural reason for the existence of everything (via naturalistic and uniformitarian assumptions).

Origins is beyond the purview of science. It is a matter for Revelation and Theology alone.

[NYer]

As conservative as I am, I am not afraid to admit that the Catholic Church was WRONG (with a capital “W”) in its treatment of science. .... For some reason the Church believes science and religion cannot co exist.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

In the sciences it was the Jesuits in particular who distinguished themselves; some 35 craters on the moon, in fact, are named after Jesuit scientists and mathematicians.

By the eighteenth century, the Jesuits had contributed to the development of pendulum clocks, pantographs, barometers, reflecting telescopes and microscopes, to scientific fields as various as magnetism, optics and electricity. They observed, in some cases before anyone else, the colored bands on Jupiter’s surface, the Andromeda nebula and Saturn’s rings. They theorized about the circulation of the blood (independently of Harvey), the theoretical possibility of flight, the way the moon effected the tides, and the wave-like nature of light. Star maps of the southern hemisphere, symbolic logic, flood-control measures on the Po and Adige rivers, introducing plus and minus signs into Italian mathematics – all were typical Jesuit achievements, and scientists as influential as Fermat, Huygens, Leibniz and Newton were not alone in counting Jesuits among their most prized correspondents [Jonathan Wright, The Jesuits, 2004, p. 189].

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[stfassisi]

“”For some reason the Church believes science and religion cannot co exist. Ironically that position is also shared by athiests””

I suggest you reade what Pope Benedict XVI had to say
here.....
MEETING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF SCIENCE

LECTURE OF THE HOLY FATHER

Aula Magna of the University of Regensburg
Tuesday, 12 September 2006
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html

[big'ol_freeper]

Two things you can be very sure of.

1. There are bigots who hold extreme hatred for the Catholic Church in their hearts, many of whom claim the mantle of Christian, but who hate that which Christ established.

2. Questioning any on the list of their favorite self-justifying black legends about the Catholic Church will result in unfettered ejaculations of venomous protestations, vile in nature, against the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

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[OneWingedShark]

>Most of the folks claiming there is a war between religion and science are fundamentalists.

Really? I don’t know about that... of course, I think that’s because I haven’t really encountered it too much.

[Jacquerie]

Your ignorance of medieval history and the Church is remarkable. By all means, don’t let knowledge stand in the way of your opinion.

[stop_fascism]

In my experience most are atheists. Fundamentalists often simple ignore that part of science which contradicts scripture.