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Cities suffering pain of loss (RC Diocese of Albany releases list of 33 parish closings)
Times Union ^ | January 18, 2009 | Marc Parry

Posted on 01/18/2009 4:19:43 AM PST by NYer

ALBANY — Cities across the greater Capital Region will bear the brunt of a massive plan to close 33 worship sites throughout the Roman Catholic Diocese of Albany, Bishop Howard Hubbard announced Saturday.

Troy will be ground zero in an unprecedented consolidation the 14-county diocese is undertaking to cope with shifting demographics and a shortage of priests.

Hubbard, despite lobbying to change the outcome, decided to close six of the Collar City's dozen Catholic churches. That is more than any other city. And the list of soon-to-be-shuttered Troy churches includes St. Peter's, the state's third-oldest Catholic parish.

Elsewhere, St. Teresa of Avila and Holy Cross will close in Albany. In Cohoes, St. Bernard's, St. Joseph's and St. Rita/Sacred Heart will all shut down. And in Schenectady, St. Mary's, St. John the Baptist and Immaculate Conception also will close.

Altogether, the diocese is closing just under 20 percent of its 190 worship sites, a historic downsizing that is comparable to other consolidations in the dioceses of Buffalo, Syracuse,and Rochester.

The decisions announced Saturday culminated a 2 1/2-year planning process, known as Called to BE Church, that involved thousands of Catholics and 38 local planning groups making suggestions to the bishop.

Parishioners attending Masses on Saturday took the closings with mixed emotions: acceptance, nostalgia, disbelief, resignation, anger.

A livid Dorothy Mall lingered in her pew after the 4:30 p.m. Mass at one of Troy's doomed churches, St. Patrick's. Mall described Called to BE Church as "a farce" whose outcome was known from the start.

"The politics and the hypocrisy of this diocese leaves a lot to be desired," said Mall, 65, of Niskayuna. "This Called to BE Church did nothing but pit priest against priest, parish against parish, and parishioners against parishioners."

Hubbard has publicly rebutted the claim that he knew all along what he planned to do. On Saturday, he empathized with the "painful adjustments" the closures will require of many of the sprawling diocese's 400,000 upstate Catholics, who began to learn the fate of their parishes during Masses on Saturday and will continue to get the news in churches today.

"In fact, my own home parish of St. Patrick's in Troy will be closing — the church where I grew up, went to school, celebrated my first Mass as a priest of the diocese, and buried my parents," Hubbard said in a prepared statement.

"But we as a church must acknowledge the social and demographic changes that require change, and remember our church must adapt, just as our ancestors' church adapted to rapid changes in society throughout the 19th and 20th centuries."

Hubbard, who made the rounds of media outlets this month ahead of the plan's release, kept a low profile Saturday. He was unavailable for an interview. He did not attend any public events, said diocese spokesman Ken Goldfarb. Hubbard will celebrate Mass at 11 a.m. today in the Cathedral of Immaculate Conception.

The closure of so many neighborhood landmarks isn't just a Catholic issue. Empty churches create "a hole in our community," said Lynn Kopka, a non-Catholic who heads the Troy's Washington Park Association.

The longer they sit vacant, the more deterioration makes it hard to find other uses for buildings that make economic sense, Kopka said.

The former St. Jean's, closed under a previous bishop some 35 years ago, sits vacant in the block south of Washington Park, Kopka said. Now the diocese plans to close St. Mary's as well.

"It's one more wallop in the head for urban areas that are trying to move forward," Kopka said.

Goldfarb responded to that concern by saying nearly all vacated church buildings have found other community uses and are no longer vacant. He sent the Times Union a church-by-church list of those uses, from a shelter for homeless women to a community arts center.

Other cities beyond the Capital Region's four-county core will also lose churches, including Glens Falls in Warren County, where St. Alphonsus will close.

In Montgomery County, three Amsterdam worship sites will close: St. Casimir's, St. John the Baptist, and St. Michael's.

Some churches, like St. Francis de Sales in Troy, will close as early as next month.

The calendar for the other closings will unfold over three years.

The closures will disrupt important traditions at two Troy churches. The Latin Tridentine Mass will move from St. Peter's to St. Joseph's in Troy, Hubbard announced Saturday. And the Perpetual Adoration Chapel will go from St. Paul's to the chapel at St. Mary's Hospital, also in Troy.

The diocese described Called to BE Church as a project created to realign resources to serve the greatest number of Catholics.

With the exception of Saratoga Springs, the majority of cities in the Albany Diocese have lost between 25 and 39 percent of their population since 1960. Suburban towns have grown by 50 percent or more, according to the diocese.

In Saratoga County, only one church — in Mechanicville — will close.

Many city churches were built at a time when they served separate ethnic communities whose members walked to worship in buildings only blocks from each other. Today, the combined weekend Mass attendance is about 1,300 at six urban churches in Troy whose total seating capacity is 3,200. A single parish in Ballston Spa or Glenville gets the same attendance.

Still, some fault bishops for neglecting newer immigrant groups who don't come from traditional European Catholic countries.

For example, Pentecostal churches are pulling in large numbers of Latinos, said Peter Borre, chair of the Council of Parishes, a Boston-based advocacy group for parishes in danger of closing.

"This is a massive failure on the part of bishops serving urban areas in the Northeast," Borre said.

The Albany Diocese maintains what Goldfarb described as "a significant outreach program to the Hispanic community." It offers a Spanish language Mass in areas with substantial numbers of Spanish-speaking Catholics: Albany, Schenectady, Troy, Amsterdam Stuyvesant Falls. None of those locations will close, Goldfarb said.


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To: steve8714
I’ll guess most of these are in black neighborhoods or those with crowds of Muslim immigrants.

No

Why does the Church desert the poor they purport to serve, nor do we evangelize the heathens in our country?

The Church has not deserted the poor. These 'poor' have deserted the Church. The majority of these churches are in cities that once offered work to European immigrants. The churches were built 100+ years ago. They are large and costly to maintain. The descendants of the immigrants moved away about 50 years ago. Only a handful of families still practice their faith.

You are right, however, in that the diocese has done nothing to evangelize the current residents of these neighorhoods.

41 posted on 01/19/2009 5:40:12 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Miss Marple
These were people who sincerely wanted to draw closer to the Lord, but they didn't have the tools. They simply had had poor teaching in their formative years.

From your perspective as a convert, it must seem absolutely appalling. In reality, it should not be a surprise. Most cradle catholics inherit their faith. You, on the other hand, have chosen it. I have had a similar experience with the Maronites. Like you, I was stunned that they did not know the Catholic faith or their Maronite heritage. Initially, I was so moved by the depth of their liturgical prayers and surprised by their indifference. Over time I came to appreciate that the ones who showed up for Holy Day masses and were regular attendees at Sunday mass were, for the most part, individuals like myself who had wandered through the desert and found this oasis where God is worshiped in a reverent manner.

We had sections today on the Divine Mercy Chaplet and the Rosary, as well as discussions on other important Church Feasts. Imagine my amazement when CRADLE CATHOLICS did not know the following:

In all fairness to these women, the Divine Mercy is relatively new to the US. The devotion is slowly spreading, thanks in great part to exposure through EWTN. Traditionalist catholics are probably the most resistent to its acceptance.

As for the mysteries of the rosary, this popular devotion nearly disappeared post VCII. It wasn't until JPII wrote the Luminous Mysteries that some NO catholics returned to praying the rosary. Traditionalist catholics have always embraced the rosary but I'm not certain they also include the Luminous Mysteries.

As for the story of the Virgin of Guadalupe, it wasn't until the canonization of Juan Diego that any attention was given, outside of Mexico. Once again, it was EWTN that brought this to light through coverage of JPII's visit to Mexico City and the Shrine of the Virgin of Guadelup.

You have been given an extraordinary opportunity to witness a group of catholic women even attending a retreat. Like the rosary, making retreats (or pilgrimages) faded post VCII. It consoles me immensely to know that, in your parish, there is a resurgence of women being drawn to these events. In today's fast paced world, anyone who takes time to go on a retreat or pilgrimage, is one with a sincere interest in developing a closer relationship with our Lord. This is indeed good news!

As you probably know, my 'enthusiasm' with the Maronite Catholic Church led to a deeper desire to grow spritually. That in turn brought me back to the CCC and reading Scripture. Now, as Director for Religious Education, I try to pass along this enthusiasm to parents and children. Alas, it is met with the usual excuses - most of which are offered up by the parents who prefer to sleep in than go to church. With only 15 classes spread out over the year, our concentration must be on the basics of our faith - from Abraham to the ministry of Jesus, His death, resurrection and ascension and the birth of the Church. Each class, we begin with basic prayers - the Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be. I have discussed the possibility of children's Eucharistic Adoration. Father and I both recognize the struggle to get parents to bring their children to the Sacrament of Confession, much less an 'hour' spent adoring our Lord. So, you can be certain that, despite our best efforts, when these children become adults, they will not be familiar with the Rosary or the Divine Mercy chaplet. We took a small group of young adults on retreat last year to the Shrine of the Divine Mercy in Stockbridge MA. They enjoyed the day and even asked to return. We will continue to introduce and reinforce these practices despite the struggle. Parents too often mistake footbal practice as being more important than serving God.

I hope you shared your conversion story with the women at the retreat. Your witness to the faith would be a wellspring from which the ladies can draw strength. Pax et Bonum

42 posted on 01/19/2009 6:27:05 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: hunter112

Thank you again, for sharing your faith journey. It pretty much corroborates what I suspected based on experiences from others I have met in this forum. It also parallels my own journey. If you don’t mind my asking, were born after Vatican Council II or do you have any recollection of the church from before the Council. Again ... thank you for the response.


43 posted on 01/19/2009 6:37:45 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
I will be sharing my conversion when the women I was on retreat with host the next retreat in July. This program relies on the "pass it on" theory. Each group of people who go on retreat host the next.

I will be on Team 24, which means that I will be the 24th group to host a retreat. The men run parallel to us, so they are also going to be hosting in July.

Our parish has been doing this for 12 years. It is an excellent program with an emphasis on deepening one's faith and allowing the Holy Spirit into one's life.

I personally believe this program, along with the Perpetual Adoration chapel we have, has made our parish more involved and also has given us so many vocations for the priesthood (right now we have 10).

44 posted on 01/19/2009 6:55:42 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: NYer
You're very welcome, and I was born back in 1955. I do remember the Vatican Council II reforms, and was not put off by them, I found them rather welcoming. My parents embraced these reforms also, as well as some of the things in the church that the oldtimers disdain, such as the guitar Mass. Mom would play Ray Repp albums on the stereo a lot.

Those changes weren't the problem. If anything, they kept me in longer than I otherwise would have stayed. Again, I did not come here to discuss which book or treatise is better than others, I just expressed my belief that many Catholics are going to have to steel themselves to endure the rounds of church closings that have been going on.

45 posted on 01/19/2009 7:45:15 AM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: Salvation

It used to be more wonderful, back when the Mass was in Latin and you heard it in the language that you had been schooled in no matter where you went. Vatican II was a disaster and it has not finished damaging the Church. JMHO


46 posted on 01/19/2009 7:57:21 AM PST by pepperdog (The world has gone crazy.)
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To: hunter112
I did not come here to discuss which book or treatise is better than others

Nor I. What caught my attention in your original post was this comment:

In my case, after drifting around through a variety of other Christian denominations and non-Christian faith traditions, I just decided about a dozen years ago that it was all completely unreliable. I see the various religious traditions of the world fractionalizing more and more as time goes on, and have concluded that it's all because of the need to run religion as a business, or some sort of power trip. Every denomination of a similar religious tradition has built up it's own fiefdom, and consolidation with reconciliation would knock some from their privileged positions within the hierarchy.

It reminded me of Cardinal Ratzinger's homily at the pre-conclave Mass in April 2005. He said:

How many winds of doctrine have we known in recent decades, how many ideological currents, how many ways of thinking. The small boat of the thought of many Christians has often been tossed about by these waves - flung from one extreme to another: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism and so forth. Every day new sects spring up, and what St Paul says about human deception and the trickery that strives to entice people into error (cf. Eph 4: 14) comes true.
Full Text

Growing up, I don't recall seeing so many different christian denominations - just the mainline protestant churches. It's only in recent years that so many new branches have sprung from the Lutheran, Anglican and Baptist Churches. Like you, it confused me. I kept wondering why this was occuring. In tracing them back to their origins, I discovered the answer.

Thank you for the feedback. Your journey exemplifies what Cardinal Ratzinger wrote. To that he added:

Truth and love coincide in Christ. To the extent that we draw close to Christ, in our own lives too, truth and love are blended. Love without truth would be blind; truth without love would be like "a clanging cymbal" (I Cor 13: 1).

May you find your way to the source of Truth and Love.

Pax et Bonum

47 posted on 01/19/2009 3:08:43 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: hunter112
<1>I can fathom that being good to each other will make the world a better place, but ethical people do not need an ancient book of interpreted rules to do this. With respect, I think this makes no sense at all. Ethics do not come out of thin air, but from a morality. Reading the Pentateuch last year, particularly the part that begins with the story of Abraham, I see how such rules brought order into the lives of some very unruly people. My favorite story is that of Jacob beginning with his cheating of his rather thick-headed twin brother out of his birthright right to the time of his death in Egypt. There is nothing saintly, holy, pious, about this guy. What pulls his life together is his connection with and loyalty to, the god of Abraham and Issac. His sons are a mess, not good guys at all, but then there is Joseph, what the Jews call a "righteous man," what we Christians call saints. And what they provide is a guide to good behavior, and they are all "touched" by the hand of God. Now when one of these men is a Moses, he provide more than just a model: he provides a "way." That way is except for the rare genius, something that is the property of a community. The community provides you with a moral compass, and even if you leave it, it continues to serve you. If you want. For many who do leave, however, it is just something they eventually throw away. I submit that most do.
48 posted on 01/19/2009 6:33:49 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: RobbyS
Ethics do not come out of thin air, but from a morality.

I will agree that is where ethics started from, but we have moved beyond that. For instance, slavery is just a "given" in the holy books of every world religion. We have progressed in our thinking to have as part of an ethical code the idea that one person is not allowed to own another. We didn't get that from the ancient texts, we got that from reasoning.

You can argue that the reasoning that led to the abolition of slavery in Western traditions came from re-interpreting the words of the ancient texts. If that's the case, then I submit to you that any part of those ancient texts can be similarly reasoned away from. Christians do that all the time when each sect picks and chooses what parts of the Old Testament to keep, and which ones have been replaced by the New Testament.

49 posted on 01/20/2009 7:06:23 AM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: hunter112
Ethics is an effort to explain morality, just as theology is an effort to explain a faith. Morality and faith are matters of judgement and action. Reason can guide but not control us. Reason is best established by tradition. The anti-slavery movement historically was an impulse driven by faith, of enlightenment as understood by the Quakers, an impulse that was magnified by the Enthusiasts of the Great Awakening, the evangelicals. But the Quakers and Evangelicals drew from a long-ago rejection of slavery by the Christians of the Middle Ages. They had established the rule that no Christian should be enslaved, a rule that was modeled on the Jewish rule that a Jew could be enslaved only temporarily.
That belief is what tempered the serfdom of Europe, the continuing servility of the lower classes, which prevented the class system of England from being totally inflexible, a caste system.

I suggest you read Halevy’s History of the English People. Anti-slavery and democracy rose on the same tide of sentiment, as his thesis, which I accept, is that not only anti-slavery but social reform in general was driven by this sentiment, and gave great support to rational reforms proposed by Bentham and others. There is no doubt in my mind that Wilberforce was a greater man than any philosopher, or that Christianity contributed far more to the mitigation of this evil than rationalism.

I cannot accept your positivist bent, either that we have somehow grown “beyond” all this. No such impulse arose spontaneously in Islam; when the British more or less demanded of the Turkish Sultan that the slave trade be ended as a condition for aid, the Turks were nonplussed by such an odd “request.” Our experience shows as in the case of Nazi Germany how quickly slavery can be restored, because it IS a natural impulse of men with absolute power. The notion that humanity is now “enlightened” seems to me a dangerous misreading of human nature. Its flaws will remain with us. Cardinal Newman once said that it is more reasonable to expect that a great ship can be moored to the dock by silk threads than to think that human emotion can be secured by reason. With this I heartily concur.

50 posted on 01/20/2009 8:28:57 AM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: NYer
Two years ago, this same bishop closed 5 of the 6 churches in nearby Watervliet. It was a painful slap in the face for that community. Since then, many of those parishioners have left the Catholic Church and now attend local Evangelical Churches. No effort has been made to call them home.

There's several folks that I know of that did the same thing here in Rachacha, under Bishop Clark's "shepherding". They joined Evangelical Churches. We had 13 Catholic schools at the end of the 2008 school year alone, while the DOR spent over $11 million to renovate Sacred Heart Cathedral. We are witnessing the modern day Pharisees in Albany and Rochester.

51 posted on 01/20/2009 4:27:51 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: hunter112
I just wanted to express that there are not a big bunch of people out there waiting to "come home", any more than the Heaven's Gate people's spaceships were coming from the other side of the sun to pick them up

I disagree with you hunter112. I was a fall away Catholic for over 20 years before I was called back home and I know of many others such as me.

BTW, the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and has been around for over 2000 years. How dare you compare our Church with the insanity of Heaven's Gate...

52 posted on 01/20/2009 4:43:26 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: rochester_veteran
I disagree with you hunter112. I was a fall away Catholic for over 20 years before I was called back home and I know of many others such as me.

Some will come back. I left it the first time when I was in high school, and came back about ten years later. Left again in another two years.

BTW, the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and has been around for over 2000 years. How dare you compare our Church with the insanity of Heaven's Gate...

Would you have felt better if I had compared it to Buddhism, which precedes Christianity by about four hundred years? The point is, there are not a big fat bunch of Catholics out there that will magically come back to the RCC if they hear a few words of Latin.

In any case, I was not comparing the religions directly, but I was just talking about the chances of a return to your church of a lot of people who have moved on to something else.

53 posted on 01/20/2009 8:54:41 PM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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