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To: NYer

Sounds like the John Kerry of Bishops.

He supported Vatican II before he opposed it.


3 posted on 01/13/2009 1:05:48 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS

The documents were lengthy but pretty vague and insubstantial, and really didn’t present any threat in themselves. None of the post Vatican II liturgical abuses, ranging from getting rid of the communion rail to communion in the hand to the complete replacement of the old Mass, were contained in any documents. They were mostly actions by a contingent of radical clergy at the Vatican, on the one hand, or wild practical abuses, many of them starting in the US, that spread among the laity and clergy and were tacitly accepted because of the breakdown in authority after Vatican II.

Did the documents contain bad stuff? I attended many study sessions on them in the 1960s, like most Catholics my age, and they really didn’t contain much of anything at all. However, their very vagueness and lack of precision left the door open, and a lot of people had obviously been plotting for a long time on how to take advantage of this.


4 posted on 01/13/2009 1:16:42 PM PST by livius
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To: WayneS

sort of like when the TLM was said to be abolished by the liberals, but then the Pope said it wasn’t

I don;t know the spirit which you made your judgment, but if seriously, it is unfair and has no context


21 posted on 01/13/2009 5:00:48 PM PST by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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